PPV, good or bad for boxing ?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Two Shakes, May 22, 2009.


  1. Two Shakes

    Two Shakes Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe i'm looking at things through rose tinted spectacles,but i'm old enough to remember the "big fights" being shown live on terrestrial tv.As late as the mid 90's ITV and BBC (in the uk) showed the big fights,now it seems they have been priced out of the bidding.Froch v Taylor was shown by ITV on a 24hour delay (cheaper) but i'm pretty sure Frochs next fight will be a cable/satellite only deal.What are peoples thoughts on the pluse's and negatives of cable,satellite,PPV in boxing ?
     
  2. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    PPV should be outlawed.... just like the `dead rabbits`
     
  3. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    good that fighters get paid, overall though its killing the sport
     
  4. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    These guys deserve money for putting their lives on the line to entertain the public and displaying world class fighting abilities, it's only fair they get something for it. Those who can't afford $45 are better off dead.
     
  5. Two Shakes

    Two Shakes Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thats a little harsh,dont ya think ? Not sure about exchange rates but £25ish is a big deal to a lot of folks.Fortunately i can afford to pay for PPV but lots of boxing fans simply cannot afford that amount of money,and just lately some of the undercards have been shocking,then the evenings boxing becomes very poor value for money.Another point is,are the boxers suffering ? i.e less recognition because they only fight on the PPV channels ?
     
  6. tommy the hat

    tommy the hat Active Member Full Member

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    I think PPV has hurt boxing's standing a a mainstream sport tremendously., particularly all the high profile PPV fights that had negative results(Tyson-Holyfield II)It also shuts out the hardcore fight fans as well who can't afford to pay for the PPV telecats as frequently as they are becoming. I for one can't afford to Pay for PPV all the time, especially in today's economic climate.
     
  7. sergelapelle

    sergelapelle New Member Full Member

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    All the negatives are true but at the same time there are fighters who would have never put their undefeated records on the line (ie fights would have never happened) without some serious PPV $$$$$ to back it up
     
  8. Vengeance

    Vengeance Certified Headhunter Full Member

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    PPV's only make the promoters richer and greedier. The advent of PPV ruined our sport. There is no question. You guys don't miss the days of boxing being broadcasted on network TV?
     
  9. DonPrestige

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    I agree that fighters need to get paid but PPV as we've seen is a short term way of solving that.

    Mainstream fans stop watching and hardcore fans slowly get more selective after a couple of miserable ppv's. I remember as a kid begging my mum to let me order events. I'd stay up all night for the privledge of watch some snoozefest. after a while you stop tuning in.

    Dedicated boxing networks or subscription packages are the only way forward like football in the UK with Sky/Setanta or NFL in the States with Sunday Ticket.

    Right now with multiple channels showing fights you cant keep track of things and there is no guarantee that you'll get to see the fights you want. You pay for Setanta just to have a fight you really want to see shown on Sky Box Office.

    Its all about building the whole brand up to the public. Unfortunately, boxing is all about what can I get for me now and so nobodys thinking about the overall direction. Boxing organisations should have this on their agenda but when there are multiple bodies with no cohesive marketing campaign what do expect.

    Maybe one day we'll have one Boxing organisation..............well we can dream anyway.
     
  10. Uncle Oden

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    that's dumb. I order a lot of fights because i can afford it. But if i was given a $45 gift card to Publix, i can buy a lot of groceries for the week. To a lot of people, especially those raising young kids, that's what they think about. You sound like a total ***** with a statement like that.
     
  11. DonPrestige

    DonPrestige Active Member Full Member

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    I dont think $45 is the problem for most people but your looking at one event. Lets say you buy 12 over the course of the year and its $540.

    When was the last year you remember their being 12 PPV's worth that.

    Think hopw much they'd get paid if boxing was more popular in general. Its your hardcore fans who keep the sport surviving but the mainstream fans make a fighter rich.

    Just ask Tyson, Pac, Hoya and Mayweather. Grab the attention of the public and you'll make the money. Now, yes these guys are all big stars but they didnt get that way overnight. Promotion, performances, skills and more promoting got them there.
     
  12. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Then these guys might want to handpick certain fights. In the end I don't really care if they're making these guys rich or not, these guys go in there and LITERALLY put their lives on the line KNOWING that the chances of them not coming out alive is very possible. Hardcore fans should see through that easily, for those who can't afford it then they can download it an hour later or save up for specific fights only. whatever suits them best.
     
  13. DonPrestige

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    Thats the issue. In the long run you lose out.

    Whats better individual fighters making money once/twice a year off ppv view buys. Or TV money from networks because millions are willing to tune in regularly rather than 200k paying for a selective event.

    There is a reason their are guys in the NFL on the practice squad clearing a 100k a year. TV money from the networks because every week millions tune in. PPV benefits the main event fighetrs and promoters. The guys on the undercard still earn peanuts.
     
  14. Marnoff

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    The problem is that a lot of fights that should not be Pay-Per-View do get made Pay-Per-View. There should be maybe four BIG events yearly that get put on Pay-Per-View and no more than that. Then there would be hype for the mega events and people would get up to pay for them. It has been diluted so much, and there's no way to regulate what constitutes a "BIG event", so there is no way to make this dreamy plan happen.

    Basically, too many fights are Pay-Per-View, and that locks out people from seeing a lot of good fights that they otherwise would be able to. On the other hand, it's good for the fighters to make more money.
     
  15. Uncle Oden

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    there's been one PPV this year! Pac-Hatton...yes there have been smaller cards on PPV like Pavlik-Rubio and the Latin Fury cards, but as far as major networks, just one so far this year.

    There will always be fights on PPV. The smaller cards i'm fine with. If you're hardcore and want to pay the $30 then cool. I was unhappy two years ago when Rahman-Maskaev, Barrera-Juarez, and Mosley-Vargas were headling. Lately, the market has corrected itself