ATG: Who Ranks Higher? Pacman or Hitman?

Then I have to question your judging skills.

If you actually saw the fight I'd like to hear what rounds you scored for CJ:think

 

The "flyweight/bantam champ" bit is blown out of proportion. If you want to be objective about it, then you also have to include the two KOs suffered by Pac below 122.

In reality, PAC won a championship below 122 and defended it once but was also KO'd twice...................overall that's not to impressive.

From 122-130, he has had a great run.

From 135-147 he had three great performances but two of them were cherrypicked.

 

You can't pick and chose! lol

It doesn't matter what the circumstances are, those were loses and are recorded on his resume the same way JMM has loses to Pac and Chris John, doesn't matter if people think he got robbed, those are two L's he can't erase.

 

early rounds for John.. many of them and def. the 4th and 6th if I remember, and Marquez came on late but lost those rounds he could have maybe won with the low blows. It was Marquez who lost that fight. He lost it. Scores say he lost it.

 

Who knows but Pernell did outpoint Azumah Nelson and I know Chavez would have had a tough time with him.

 

most people rate Roberto Duran up to when he beat Barkley. After that he was in it as a bonus.

 

It is hard to do but I think Hit man Hearns career was tough also. You are comparing Manny with Tommy, and Tommy moved up just as significanly than Manny. Hearns is the one guy who can match Manny for moving up. He went from Welt all the way to lightheavyweight and then Cruiserweight. And those are divisions where they punch harder and where punch matters more but the lower divisions are more punch output.

 

you cannot compare Langford and Fitzsimmons and Walker to Hearns. Hearns is a modern day boxer who came up and won the titles in each division against quality professionals. Langford never held a world title and Fitzsimmons fought before there was a good amateur program which developed fighters who were great professionals.

 

Hearns body is actually built small and lean. He stills weighs in today at about 205. Compare that with Duran who is 260. Tommy had small legs and if you go to youtube and see his fight with Virgil Hill check out his legs compared to Hill. Look at Hagler/Hearns and see how Hearns lower body is so much less than Haglers. His upper body is what matches Hagler well. Williams is a built differently than Hearns and actually Williams reach is 82. Hearns was only 78, yet Tommy did great things with his jab and right hand. Oscar did well up to welterweight, after that his power left him.