Chad Dawson: Fraudulent (Non-) Champion

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by paulfv, May 28, 2009.


  1. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Diaconu deserved a shot, but we aren't (or at least i am not) talking about that. Cloud has fought one fighter who wasn't a genuine bum, and is now inactive. I don't have anything against Cloud and he should do well in the future, but spewing garbage about Dawson choosing the fighter who a lot of people had him losing to, and the most highly demanded matchup for him by the fans, over a completely untested contender, who arguably hasn't beaten a single top 10 contender, just doesn't make sense.

    Spin it how you want, and throw insults at Dawson, but the fact is he is taking the fight the fans want, and the more proven opponent. If he was fighting a trilogy with Tarver, no one could argue with you, but he isn't.

    You have probably made reference to Dawson having lost his fight to Johnson in the past, and now you are criticising him for cherry picking. If you scored the Johnson fight to Dawson, then i'll excuse that.
     
  2. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    Wow, that original post really twists a lot of **** out of proportion.
     
  3. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There is no spin. I laid out what happened, and how Shaw was exposed for his misstatement.

    You're a Kool-Aider, a true believer, you won't believe the truth when it's presented to you. That's great -- just don't expect those of us who do the research to hold you or your opinion in much esteem. You're a fanboy.

    You don't want to know, or believe, the truth. That's great. Put your fingers in your ears, repeat "nah, nah, nah, nah" out loud and enjoy the Chad Dawson posters in your room. Shaw spun you, you fell for it, and now the truth has come out. That's what happens to people who are more credulous than critical.
     
  4. Brickhaus

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    What 'Federer, Nedal etc." is there in the LHW division? Don't even try to tell me that Cloud and Diaconu are at that level. If they build up their names to become like that, of course he'll face them; it's obviously that the only thing Dawson cares about is the money. It's not the best thing in the world, but it's also not uncommon.

    It's nice to see that HBO would have taken a Cloud if push came to shove, but it would have been a lot of money given up, and I have to imagine that HBO STRONGLY pushed a Johnson rematch. They didn't sign Dawson to a big deal to have him fight a no-name on a BAD card.

    Dawson will need to fight some of the up-and-coming guys soon enough though. He's running out of names to face.
     
  5. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great argument, and as expected, petty name calling. I'm not some unobjective hating twat like yourself. I like Dawson, but i know Calzaghe would whoop him, and i know he isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread. How about you target my post as opposed to throwing out some generic bull****?

    Answer me this: Have you ever stated that Johnson beat Dawson? Because that makes your petty slandering of Dawson's actions look totally ridiculous, i hope for your sake you scored it for Dawson.

    The fact is: He is fighting a more proven fighter, the fight that fans have been demanding of him, an opponent that he allegedly lost to.

    Why doesn't Cloud have to fight a couple of top 10 contenders like any other self respecting fighter in the sport? Why should someone with 18 cans on his record warrant a title shot?
     
  6. olyalex

    olyalex Manos de piedra Full Member

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    Chad Dawson the most overrated fighter at the moment.
     
  7. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who overrates him? He has about 12 fans on the planet.
     
  8. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion

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    People like you are the worst kind of poster. You were the same guy who said he was ducking Johnson for a rematch. Dawson can't win. If he fought Cloud he's be ducking Johnson. If he fights Johnson he's ducking The Shark.
     
  9. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dude, you're so outgunned it's like a PT boat vs a destroyer.

    Read what I wrote: Did I say anywhere I thought Johnson won? Nope. That's because I know Dawson won the fight. I had it 7-5 for Dawson.

    Chad and Shaw know they'll get the judges on their side and they know Chad can hold up for 12, particularly against a guy who has only gotten older.

    It was fun. I'm sorry I exposed the truth about "your guy," or whatever. People on here will tell you that I'm fair. If a guy I like ducks someone, I'll admit it and call him out. When Kessler ducked Dawson, I was disappointed but I called it what it was and said it was weak.

    If you're going to have credibility, you have to hold everyone to the same standard. Even guys you like.

    Peace. :hat
     
  10. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion

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    I just don't get it why so much Dawson hate? The guy has one of the best resumes of a young fighter in boxing but gets shitted on...pathetic.
     
  11. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Truth hurts, I know.

    Pimpin ain't easy, so the saying goes. And neither is rooting for Sad Chad Dawson when he's dropping belts right and left.

    You guys have ragged on the Klits for unification. But when Chad's ditching belts, it's "great."

    You're just mad because I can put it all together, unlike many posters here. And lay it all out.

    But it's all good -- your guy is coming back to fight some smallish fighters who he should get "W's" against, so why are you upset? Floyd is back!
     
  12. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't deny that Dawson has chosen not to fight Cloud (although i think Dawson would beat him handily as he is too inexperienced at this time and totally untested, undeserving of a shot at either of the top guns at LHW - Hopkins and Dawson).

    But why criticise a fighter who is trying to correct the biggest blip on his career to date? Belts and 90% of the allocated mandatories are a joke in boxing at the moment, so what is wrong with fighting someone considered a bigger challenge?

    I'd like to see Chad fight a younger fighter or two, as it could help correct his lazy stints, but i am certainly not going to call him a fraud for taking the most highly demanded fight (particularly with the nature of their previous matchup).

    Do you think Cloud has a realistic chance of beating Dawson?

    And cut the generic slander bull**** out and talk like a ****ing human.
     
  13. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You cut the bullsh*t, dude. You came at me first and I put you in your place. And now you're sensitive. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. Especially against someone like me who knows what I'm talking about and knows more than you do.

    The arguments of why Dawson is ducking Cloud aren't relevant. THAT he is ducking Cloud, as he ducked Diaconu, is the issue. And Shaw tried to cover it up with BS.

    You can come up with any rationalization of why that happened. I'm not Shaw and Dawson, I can't tell you why they are on the run to the retirement farm fight circuit. I think it's pretty clear why that is, but you'll have to ask them.

    And then make sure you check to see if their answer holds up to scrutiny afterwards.
     
  14. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    For such a good poster you have to tell people just how great you are a lot. Why don't you wipe that bull**** facade off your posts and just put your arguments on the board, you make some sense when your not busy throwing around generic hate terms.

    I don't care for unnecessary mandatories, particularly if the nature of them prevents key fights in the division. Not only is Dawson - Johnson a bigger fight in a financial and boxing hype sense, Johnson is a proven world class operator. Whereas Cloud hasn't beaten anyone remotely relevant.

    It isn't as though Dawson's avoiding Cloud to go fight some lesser bum, he is taking a better opponent. He certainly hasn't acted in the best interest of the relevant governing body, but how does taking on a quality challenger in Johnson make him a fraud. Thats a ridiculous label for a fighter as young as Dawson, with some quality wins.
     
  15. Bodysnatcher

    Bodysnatcher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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