Who's the Smallest-Ever Fighter You'd Pick to Beat Current Wlad 6+ Times Outta 10?

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  1. JimmyShimmy

    JimmyShimmy 1050 psi Full Member

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    Yes, but of course Langford was past his best.

    Wlad ain't too shabby, but all the smaller greats should be favoured to eat him up - from Dempsey onwards.
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    If you get Langford from Fulton I want Wlad from Sanders.

    Uh, Frazier is my answer.
     
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  3. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dempsey.
     
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  4. marciano1952

    marciano1952 Active Member Full Member

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    Dempsey....Im a Big Fan of Wlads but I Really Belive Dempsey would/could beat him
     
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  5. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    A 180 some odd pound Dempsey would have to be favored over Wlad.

    The intensity/fearsomeness to make Wlad's anxiety (Which was his true biggest issue) flare up, and those beatiful leaping hooks to get inside.

    Also, Dempsey was an unbelievable inside fighter. The way he tied up Willard (Watch a good quality version of the Willard match and be amazed, great work by Dempsey) Completely nullified Willard's uppercut, one of his best tools.
     
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  6. HomicideHenry

    HomicideHenry Many Talents, No Successes Full Member

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    Dempsey, Frazier, Marciano

    Any man who was superb at getting inside the reach of bigger, more skilled, opponents than themselves
     
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  7. Jersey Joe

    Jersey Joe Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bob Fitzimmons (KO)
    Roy Jones Jr (points)

    Dempsey would steamroller Wlad, nightmare matchup of styles. Marciano would be in with a shout to score 6/10 too, he KOd many big but unwieldy opponents, and Wlad is pretty chinny.
     
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  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    This thread has some of the more delusional suppositions in a generally deluded forum. Fitz? Langford? Marciano? I don't even know where to start.

    I do find it a humorous fact that whomever is the current Heavyweight champ is often derided during his reign and celebrated later.
     
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  9. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Really? What about Frazier? Liston would beat him everytime because he has more reach and a far better jab than Wlad. He could beat him at his own game.

    Louis was a master at countering the jab and right of many fighters and would make Wlad come forward and get countered by the right of Louis.

    Holyfield would make it a brawl and Wlad would have no answer on the inside against Holyfield.

    Marciano might have an uphill battle but would eventually get on the inside and connect on Wlad to KO him while behind on the cards.

    Patterson is the least likely to win but his superior hanspeed and movement can steal the fight in my opinion. He's a very underrated fighter and so his chin.
     
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  10. Muchmoore

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    I don't see Wlad being able to beat Louis. Watch Joe absolutely demolish giants like Carnera, Simon, Baer etc., the man was at his best against giants. Moreso than Marciano even because he proved it against quality fighters.

    I give Wlad the best chance against Frazier. This would have to be the young Wlad who threw caution to the wind, not the more measured Wlad of today. I think that Wlad could drop Frazier early on and at the very least make things very interesting even if Frazier survived.
     
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  11. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That Wlad would be too green and still had his issues with pressure fighters. He would be stopped early than the more cautious one.
     
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  12. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    No. "Jack all heavyweights would get the better of him" does not mean "no heavyweight does".

    However, a prime Wlad places very high in H2H matchups, as does his brother. (Vitali may place higher, in fact)

    Here are my reasons.

    1) Basically, no HW champion except Lennox and Holy has ever faced an opponent who was anything close to the sheer size of Wlad, without being a huge slow clumsy oaf. This is a big advantage for Wlad right out of the gate, his size throws anyone below 6'4" right off their gameplan.

    2) Wlad has a combination of size, handspeed, power, technical ability, work ethic and heart that is almost unique in heavyweight history. Lennox had a similar blend, and look at the success it brought him. Wlad is bigger, and quite possibly stronger, more skilled and more of an athlete as well.

    3) Wlad has his failings, sure. He doesn't have a granite chin, and he sometimes gets flustered in the ring, though he has improved on this in the last couple of years. But every fighter has his weaknesses, even the ATGs. It's just a question of whether they can capitalize on Wlad's weaknesses. Most of them don't have the tools to do it more than 3 or 4 times out of 10.

    4) Wlad has lost three times, but never come close to losing a decision. It is foolish to assume that anyone will dominate him on the cards.

    Ali couldn't get the better of Ken Norton over three fights in his early 30s, yet he's going to outpoint Wlad 10 out of 10 times? Wlad can put just as much of a hurt on him as Frazier did, and he's not going to take nearly as much punishment in return. To say that Wlad could not even take one fight out of 10 from Ali is foolish.

    For the record, I don't have Wlad at #1 in the all-time "simulate 10 fights" matchups. But I don't have him getting cleaned up by anyone either. I'm hard-pressed to see him not claiming at least 3-4 wins against anybody.

    :hat
     
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  13. Kaki

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    slightly off-topic, but I would pick Lewis/Holmes/Ali to beat Wlad 10 out of 10 times.
     
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  14. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    But none of Wlad quality. Facing Primo Carnera is nothing close to the same as facing Wlad. The athleticism that Wlad has was simply not found in men of his size back in Louis' time. This would throw Louis off his stride.

    :hat
     
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  15. Seamus

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    I am a huge Marciano proponent (after spending a good time being a detractor). That said, there is no way in hell Marciano gets near Wlad. There is no way he lasts more than 6 rounds. He is custom made for Wlad.
     
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