What is Pacquiao gonna do, with that initial Shock?

Exactly, Pac couldn't steamroll JMM BECAUSE of the counters. NOT because he was trading with Pac alot. So no, that example of yours doesn't make sense. What makes you think Floyd's gonna steamroll and trade successfully with Pac based on that JMM fight? There was nothing in that fight to indicate that Floyd's gonna be more successfull agressively against Pac, JMM and Floyd don't even have the same style. They're both counterpunchers, but that's pretty much it. The way they do it is completely different.

Now if you like to put words in my mouth, lets do the same to you. If you think Floyd is this unstoppable juggernaut then why couldn't he steamroll the smaller Hatton?(And no, don't mistake that KO as Floyd steamrolling Hatton) If you think Floyd's this God of Boxing, then why couldn't he be more aggressive against Hatton? Floyd didn't trade much against Hatton, he also didn't let his hands go that much as well. And Hatton was wide open to be hit. All Floyd did was do the same thing he's been doing, that is pick his spots, counter Hatton and potshot until that perfect check hook.

The thing here is, unlike most of Floyd's opponents who freezes up whenever Floyd unloads on them, Pac will actually fight back when he's being hit. Ok, Floyd puts a rare 3-4 combinations on Pac, what makes you think Pac will just stand there and take it? This isn't Gatti he's fighting, this isn't Baldomir he's fighting. What happens if Pac punches back with his own combinations which most will no doubt hit Floyd? Will Floyd risk punching back as well and make this into a stand-off? What you say is never that easy and Floyd would risk being KO'd. He's not perfect bro, Pac would be the best fighter Floyd will face when it comes to exchanges. I say that's an ill-advised plan if Floyd ever does that.

 

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DLH lied to Hatton?

:rofl :rofl :rofl

 

So your saying Floyd's gonna stand in front of Pac and just land straight right hands? But that is what Pac relishes. He likes people who are in front of him. Marquez was doing the same thing in their 2nd fight, as you said he was peppering Pac with those straight right hands(and some combos too actually), but because he was pretty much in front of Pac he was also recieving some in his face. You don't stand in front of Pac and expect to come out unscathed no matter how good you are defensively. And by standing in the pocket with Pac, Floyd would be sacrificing a big part of his style: Movement. That part of his style which I think is very important in dealing with Pac.

If we analyze their styles, you'll see where I'm coming from. Both are counter-punchers but both do it differently. Just like you said Marquez is more offensive-minded in his counterpunching, while Floyd is more defensive minded. Another difference is the amount of punches they throw. Marquez would throw 3-4 counters at his opponent with regularity, sometimes even more than that. And he would throw them no matter the situation whether he's getting hit or not. It's pretty much instinct for him to fight back when he's getting pummeled, just like Pac. While Floyd, on the other hand, ever since he got to Welter has increasingly relied on his straight right hand to do the work, he throws other punches as well don't get me wrong, but not even close to how much he uses the right hand. He'd either use it while he's leading or counter-punching, and the problem is he'd usually throw one punch at a time. He'd throw a straight right hand, have a little pause, then throw it again. Its also the same with his other punches. Because more often than not, he'd only throw or commit to a punch when his opponent is 100% open. He seems reluctant when they aren't. He's too much of a perfectionist for his own good IMO.

Another difference is their variety of punches. 147 Floyd do not compare to JMM when it comes to throwing varied punches. He just not. JMM throws every punch in the book in different angles with accuracy and power, its frightening really.

You also said that they both use the right hand. I agree, especially when they're on the offensive. And while Floyd is a bit better with the right hand accuracy-wise, I think what separates JMM to Floyd when it comes to its use, is that when JMM leads with his straight right hand, he usually follows it up with 1 or 2 more punches. Either a left to the body, a left to the face or an uppercut. He doesn't just throw a right hand and steps back. JMM can actually match Pac's punch output at times believe it or not.

All of that is why Pac had alot of trouble with JMM. He knows that by attacking or doing combo's on JMM, he's very much risking of being countered with almost the same amount of punches. Then if Pac takes too long to throw a punch, he's risking of being peppered with straight rights and combos as well, then when HE responds to that and punches back, he again risks being countered. JMM is just that good, especially against Pacquiao's style.

So just because Floyd is better than Marquez at counter-punching, doesn't mean he'll be able to do everything Marquez does. Their counter-punching style is much much different if you just look at them.

The bolded part is exactly my point. Floyd wasnt aggressive against Hatton simply because its not his style. Even against a wide open, face first brawler like Hatton, Floyd didn't risk taking the offensive. If Floyd didn't do that against Hatton, how would he be able to do that against a much better fighter and offensive machine like Pac?

Also the unstoppable juggernaut thing is just a response to your previous post since you said the same thing thing to me, when I never even insinuated that Pac is this "juggernaut" or an "unstoppable stamina machine"

I don't know about breaking Pac down, since Floyd does not throw enough punches, let alone power punches, over the course of 12 rounds to do that to a fighter of Pac's caliber. But yeah, no doubt Floyd will give Pac hell, there's no doubt about that. That straight right hand is a punch where Pac is susceptible and Floyd has one of the best straight rights, if not the best, in the game right now. Counter-punching is always a great weapon agains Pac and Floyd again is one of the best counter-punchers, if not the best counter-puncher in the game right now. Floyd's movement will cause Pac fits, I can see it now. And I don't need to reiterate Floyd's impeccable defense, right?

I recognize all that bro. But unlike most y'all, while I see that Floyd has the tools to beat Pac, I also see that Pac has the tools to beat Floyd as well. Pac's power, speed, stamina, his never-say-die attitude, his accuracy, his now seemingly smart and controlled aggression, and most importantly his workrate, these are the things that give Pac a great chance against Floyd. His workrate especially is what's gonna cause Floyd fits IMO. If my memory serves, Pac will be the first truly elite workrate-type of fighter that Floyd will have faced. Pac's top-notch workrate could be the main reason for Floyd's downfall. Pac throws too much punches for the judges not to notice. And I really don't think Floyd throws enough punches to slow Pac down or discourage him. Not saying Pac's gonna walk all over Floyd, mind you. Don't get me wrong. But I really don't think he can convince Pac to stop fighting as hard as he usually does. Heavily hit or not. Pac's determination is just too strong IMO.

Also one thing that I'm really keen in seeing from Floyd is the ability to throw punches/counters WHILE getting hit himself, because Pac's gonna test him on that often. That's why Quez can go toe-to-toe with Manny, he has that ability. Does Floyd have that? We'll see.

So I'm going 55/45 for Pac in this one. I hope your not one of those desperate Floyd Fanboys who would crucify me for not picking Floyd in every fight of his, current or potential. If you think Floyd's gonna win fine, I can acknowledge that, but atleast recognize that this is far from a walk in the park for Floyd like most JoyBoys here are saying.

 

Agree 100%;but his chin is not all that good

 

What if one day you woke up and realizes floyd jr. is a joke?

 

you mean after pac lands a straight left, and pbf's eyes water up and he backpedals? well, my guess is that the pinoy blockbuster will simply chuckle and think "boy, this one really is a *****".

 

Pacquaio never underestimates any opponent. He will train hard and he will fight hard, win or loose. I hope no one's lied to Mayweather about the Pac. That seems far likelier.

Pac knows how hard this fight will be but he will train hard.

 

You can be sure that Pac will not give up. He was being outboxed by Marquez in many rounds but Pac was never demoralised, he kept throwing punches, he kept his aggressions for full 12 rounds.

I really think JMM is a harder fight for Pac than PBF because PBF goes on 100% defensive when his opponent is on the attack. JMM on the other hand is 50% defensive and 50% offensive and this gievs him the opportunity to catch Pac because Pac is on it most vulnerale when he is on the attack (he is wide open).