Re-watched Pacquiao-Marquez.........My thoughts

When did I say I saw no way Pac could have gotten it? I already stated which rounds were very close and those could have went either way. A draw is very fair, but I also said either one could have gotten it by a point or 2. Quit being such a defensive *****.

 

Marquez clearly won round 11 in my mind. Close swing rounds were 2,7,9, and 12 for me.

 

Judges should give even scoring if they think the round is a draw. The outcome will be determined by the entire 12 rounds anyway and you can be sure that not all 12 rounds will be even.

Say fighter A won rounds 1 to 5 clearly.
Then rounds 6 to 7 are very even but yet the judge gave them to fighter B (althuogh rightfully the rounds are even). Fighter A loses.

It would be unfair for a fighter to get a loss on his resume just because a judge is forced to pick a loser in each round.

 

yah, i agree but the practice nowadays are for judges to refrain for giving even rounds...

in the 80s, you see a lot of even rounds but that is not the case in recent years..in the 24 rounds of JMM-Pac, none of the single judges gave an even round

MAB-EM has 36 rounds, only one round has been scored a draw...and that round is a clear morales round

 

I agree with your premise....a judge should score even rounds when its too tough to call.....
In a perfect scenario of honest scoring, scoring even rounds in an extremely close round would be the fairest way to get a fair end result.

.....a few judges still actually score even rounds but are encouraged not to.
The reality however is that this in not a perfect world.....it does'nt really matter how a judge is instructed to score.....if a judge is dishonest or corrupt, he will find a way to get to his desired end result......

Several years ago I had read that the reasons that judges had been instructed to not score even rounds is that the boxing orginizations were embarrassed that their most controversial fights contained a load of even rounds.....
.....seems that back then, a judge who favored a particular fighter would give him an undeserved even round as long as he was'nt dominated in the round.
......thats my understanding as to why the call to avoid even rounds....but as you can see, a judge who is dishonest finds a way no matter what.


To conclude my thought, giving a judge the luxury of scoring even rounds, gives him more slack and makes it easier on a judge to be dishonest.
If the judge has to make a decision of one way or the other on a round, it makes it much harder on him to have the audacity to be dishonest when he knows damn well that defending his score at the end would be difficult.
Defending an even round a figher did'nt deserve would be easier than defending the same round he gave the undeserved fighter.

 

so you still score even rounds in your personal scorecards...that being, your scorecards has a big chance of not being the same as the scorecards of any judges...

i try to score wherein i read the judges feel. That's why i gave close rounds to john and juan diaz in the marquez fights.


same with juarez-john...i gave close rounds to hometown guy in juarez

 

I do score even rounds on my scorecards, but I only limit them to the most extremely close rounds......

Usually my cards dont contain more than two even rounds, and mostly they will contain one or none at all.

I find it that I usually differentiate something in the round that makes me tilt it in the favor of one fighter or the other even though the round was close......

I do find myself giving alot of even 1st rounds.......The 1st round is usually a feelout round that many times has it not containing much scoring of any significance.

I find it a shame to have a close fight decided by a feelout round like that......

In the case of JMM-Pac the rematch.....the first round was really a feelout round I normally would have scored even, but not for the right hand that visibly jolted Pac's head back.
That right hand was clearly the difference maker in an otherise even feelout round.

There is not an ounce of doubt in my mind, had it been the other way around and Pac had scored with a head snapping shot in an otherwise feelout round, the round would have gone to Pac on my scorecard.


Btw, I did'nt find any of the JMM-Pac fights hard to score at all......I did not issue a single even round in either or their fights.

 

Then I have to call you a baffoonic dishonest idiot.
You're putting yourself in the shoes of what you believe will be a dishonest judge and score a fight as such......

......but your post actually explains why you scored for Manny Pacquiao over JMM.
You scored for what you believe the judges would score for.....the more popular fighter.:nut

 

i assume that the judges are not corrupt..
when you are on the road, you must cleary win the round for the 10 point to be award to you...if it is even, i give it to the hometown guy...i just do not score even rounds

 

Very good point.

 

A judge should not take into account and score a close round to the hometown fighter.....if he does so,that is being dishonest and corrupt.

 

close rounds could go either way...being on the road, the fighters mentality must try to win rounds as clear as possible. that is the very nature why you seldomly see a champion fight on the road

take the case, if the fight is a draw, the champion retains the title, it is not shared, it is because the challenger must take the fight to the champion and win that fight. The fighter on the road must have that mentality...

that is why, i do not think john was robbed in the juarez fight. He did not did enough to win 7 clear rounds

 

if there's an even round, to whom should the judge give it?

 

pac won the 12th round clearly in that fight.