On June 20th we will see whether or not David Haye will live up to the ppv name of 'David & Goliath', as the former Cruiserweight champion of the world will take on the best big man since Lennox in Wladimir Klitschko. This got me to thinking of past fights in boxing's vast history, where little men went up against big men. So here it is people, my collection of little men, trying their damndest to be the best little big men in the world! This content is protected After Dempsey knocked out 6'6" 240 pound Jess Willard in four rounds, and knocked out Luis Firpo, the press of the day went ballistic donning the Manassa Mauler as none other than 'Jack The Giant Killer, Slayer of Ogres' This content is protected Joe Louis was just a prospect at the time, and soon he would knock out Max Baer, but on this night however, he faced 'The Ambling Alp' Primo Carnera, who stood over 6'5" and weighed 270 pounds of sheer muscle. Louis knocked out the former worlds champion in the 6th round in what was a bloody mess of a fight. This content is protected On the other end of the spectrum, however, the good little man, sometimes ends up on the canvas, against the good big man. Jess Willard went on to kayo Jack Johnson in the 26th round of a scheduled 45. This content is protected In more recent years, however, the Klitschko's have proven themselves to be the dominate heavyweights of the post-Lewis era. This picture, though during Lewis' reign, is of Vitali Klitschko against now Cruiserweight contender and former WBO HW champion Herbie Hide. Hide was the favorite in the bets, but was knocked out in the 2nd round. Alot of people have compared Haye's chances against Wladimir, the same as what Hide's proved to be, that the 'Hayemaker' will lose by KO early against the 6'7" 245 pound Wladimir Klitschko. Some say this is an unfair comparison as Vitali fights a rougher style than his brother, and that Hide fought a different style than Haye, so lets look at some other bouts where little men fought big men. This content is protected Probably the man more comparable to David Haye is this man, Bob Foster, who was the undisputed Light Heavweight champion, who made the move to Heavyweight despite few tune ups. In the second round Frazier knocked Foster out, despite Murray Woroner's NCR-315 computer saying Foster would win by kayo in the 6th. This content is protected Michael Moorer, being a former WBO Light Heavyweight champ, made the move to Heavyweight and defeated this 6'10" opponent Mike White, before taking on Holyfield for the HW title. White had previously won a decision over Buster Douglas, so he wasnt no easy opponent. Moorer won an easy decision over the man called 'The Giant', knocking him down in the 1st, 7th, and 10th rounds. This content is protected More recently, Chagaev is to rematch Valuev again, but here we see the much smaller man easily getting inside the 7' 328 pound behemoth's reach without much difficulty. His style, that of Dempsey's, shows that bigger men are often ill-equipped when an opponent gets inside their reach. My question to you fans is, will Haye be among the great little men who beat good big men? Or will he fall to the wayside and be easily dispatched of? I'll end this thread with a quote from Victor Hugo, noted writer: "A little man against a big man, and chances are in favour of the little one. The cat has the best of it with a dog. Goliaths are always vanquished by Davids."
Exceptional post, Henry. And we don't get many of those round here. Unbiased, fair and informative. Personally, I think the old adage styles makes fights is very true here. It's not about skill, or power or chin or anything else. The fact that Haye dangles his left hand so low will be his undoing when faced with the taller, rangey Klitchko whose bread and butter is the stiff jab and thunderous straight right that will sale straight down the pipe to Haye's undefended face. Haye's defence, not his chin, is his achilles heel and wlad has a whole quiver of arrows.
It's interesting. The David vs Goliath theme works well here. But Haye isn't that small. He's actually pretty big. He is only small compared to Wlad.
Joe Louis wasnt a small man either, but he looked like a midget compared to 6'7" 250 pound Buddy Baer, whom mind you, Louis defeated twice, once by DQ in the 7th, and by KO in the 1st at the rematch. Take a look at Louis-Carnera, the Brown Bomber was outweighed 65 pounds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYp_OqrKhfc Enjoy! :goodBtw, I am not saying Louis would beat Wlad, or Haye will beat Wlad, etc so please dont take this as anything as such. Is it just me, or did Carnera move pretty good for a man 270 pounds?
His movement was terrible, man, look at him crossing his feet every time he throws a jab or attempts a side step. Also his punching technique is absolutely aweful, timing practically inexistant and he had no defense against jabs from a much smaller man.
The problem with this argumentation is that both Louis was not on Hayes technical level (to be fair to the latter), and Baer or Carnera aren't on Wlads. This is the era of big, technically capable heavies, unlike the Carneras of that time. Just look at Carneras "defense" with his guard infront of his chest eating right hands at will, and Wlads defense vs. Ibragimov who tried the same overhand rights out of a jump the whole fight without landing any.
Wladimir floats like a butterfly and stings like a swarm of angry killer bees. He is not a lumbering giant, but rather an efficient killing machine.
Great post. Great points. I think Marciano was the greatest, or at least the most inspirational of the little big men. I wonder how him or Frazier would nowdays?