Best fighter you`ve ever seen in their prime ?

Did you have to be alive when they were fighting or film

Willie Pep, Benny Leonard, before my time.......Roberto Duran at 135 ,SSL at 147, Aaron Pryor at 140, Nicolino Loche at 140...Ruben Olivares at 118 ....Ali at heavy

 

Ricardo lopez as minimu weight

Eric Morales as Bantam

Sal Sanchez as Feather

Roberto Duran, and Julio Cesar Chavez as lightweight

Jose Napoles and Robinson as Welterweight

Hagler as Middle

and the Great

IRON MIKEE TYSOOOOON
the best ****in heavyweight in his prime

 

Duran who beat leanord the 1st fight never the same aftre that, but for one shining moment it was the real best I ever saw in real time, I also say Ray leanord against Hearns in real time the first fight.

 

i have too the amount of **** i get from you any other person would have hanged themselves

just joking but you are always first to pick up on something i said or explain something especially on things i dotn want to explain or cant be arsed explaining

i honestly cant see how someone can demean Willie Pep technicaly hes perfect.

 

You obviously never watched films of ali in his prime years to say that he wouldn't be in your top 20.

 

I've seen pretty much all available footage. He's just not one of my favorite fighters to watch. I find the more technically pure skill-sets more pleasing to the eye.

 

Watched this fight again yesterday...Monzon was brutal in the clinches. He simply beat Benvenuti down. Impressive showing.

 

Ike Williams has to rate up there

 

If it is not live but includes film....I would have to say
Pep
Ezzard Charles
Armstrong
Duran
B.Leonard
SRR
SRL
Marciano
Ruben Olivares
Loche

 

How petty.

You bring up an irrelevant argument to overcome John Garfield's direct observations. It's a new low for you. You are attacking a credible source in Garfield -and pretending that you are merely making an innocent point. John Garfield's memory of unfilmed fights in the 40s is a helluva lot sharper and more accurate than your slanted commentary on filmed fights from this decade.

Doubting the pugilistic elitism of Pep is the mark of a sophomoric pretender. So you should shut up.

 

Seen in person none
seen fight live on TV Pernell Whitaker
Best old timer I have seen footage of Benny Leonard (Lew Tendler fight)

 

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Dempsey in his prime. One of the FEW fighters of that era, were all but ONE of his fights from 1919-21, are on film. and in his prime.

 

Very difficult to mention one, but I will try....

Roberto Duran I think is the best fighter I have seen in his prime. He was a beast. There are many others that I had the pleassure to watch....

Leonard
Arguello
Hearns
Tyson
Olivares
Chacon

 

He didn't make any direct observation, he didn't mention no exact details, when/where/which fights pre-crash he looked 50% better than when/where/which fights post-crash, and how exactly had he measured the difference, and how it is relevant to level of opponent (many top boxers look like supermen when fighting tomato cans than when fighting top opponents).
So spare your comment for somebody else.
Here's another irrelevant argument for you:
"I treat a duchess as if she was a hedgehog!" (C) My Fair Lady

 

Just so that it's not only empty talk.

1944-09-29 Chalkie Wright (before anybody starts usual talk about how good Wright was, Pep was 7-2 favorite in this bout, this should tell you all you need to know about how good Wright was considered to be at the time)
"From the fourth through the seventh Wright threatened an upset. He caught Willie repeatedly with rights to the head, and Pep seemed unable to offer anything in return."
"It was Pep's seventy-ninth victory in eighty professional starts. Although he beat Wright, it is difficult to understand how he compiled so amazing a record on what he displayed last night."

1945-12-13 Jimmy McAllister - a 10-round draw.
"The ten rounds were filled with action. In the second stanza McAllister dropped the titleholder to the canvas with a hard right hook. Pep had taken the count of six on his knees when the bell sounded.
Willie came out with fists flying in the third, and a terrific exchange followed. Pep began to slug, and this may have accounted for most of his trouble."

1946-03-01 Jimmy McAllister - NY Times report by Joseph C. Nichols:
Willie Pep needed only two punches to beat Jimmy McAllister in their scheduled ten-round bout at Madison Square Garden last night. Clearly outboxed in the first round when he failed to reach his rival with anything more forceful than a light left jab to the face, Willie let go with two rights in the second, and down went McAllister for the final count.

Pep, recognized by the New York State Athletic Commission as featherweight champion of the world, was not defending his title against the Baltimore Negro, who weighed 128 pounds as against the Hartford gladiator's 129 1/2. Nevertheless, 13,914 fans paid $63,987 to see the clash, which ended in 2:44 of the second.

Pep looked like a newcomer and McAllister like a skilled titleholder until hostilities reached their sudden end. For in the first round the Baltimore boy seemed to have things all his own way.

He hooked and jabbed Willie with his left, and deftly stayed out of range of anything Pep threw at him. Things proceeded along these lines in the second, too, until Pep delivered the two punches that turned the lights out for McAllister.

Overconfidence Proves Costly

The latter's left had bothered Willie through the second, and Jimmy became overconfident when he found it so easy to hit his rival. So he tried to tag Willie with a long right to the head, and that's where he made his mistake.

Willie drew himself out of range and when the blow had spent its force the Hartford fighter struck back with a right. He threw the weapon, sharply and forcibly, to the point of McAllister's chin, and Jimmy blinked.

In the short time that it took Jimmy to blink Pep threw another right, this time firing at the heart. The blow found its target and Jimmy bent over, the wind knocked completely out of him.

Before Pep could land again the Baltimore fighter fell to the canvas and rolled over on his back. He remained in that position while Referee Jack Burns counted ten.

In putting McAllister out Pep won exactly as expected. The Hartford fighter, at one time a 1-to-4 choice entered the ring the favorite at 1 to 2, but the original figures, as things turned out, were closer to form.

There were some who thought that Pep would have trouble with McAllister, because he had been held to a draw by the Baltimore fighter in the latter's home town three months ago.

McAllister Starts Well

From the way things started, McAllister rather justified this thought. He willingly closed with Willie and fired both hands to the body, at the same time staying away from Pep's counters. At long range McAllister fairly sparkled, shooting a fast left to the face, crossing a snappy right to the jaw, and agilely staying away from Pep's attempts to reach him.

Starting the second McAllister sprayed the apparently torpid Pep with punches, especially lefts. A big upset loomed until the Hartford warrior found the range with his right hand.