Valero: "I Want Marquez And That So Called 'Monster' From The Philippines"

There isnt one even a C-Level fighter like Presscott would be a huge step up from the bums hes been fighting.

 

What Floyd said about Shane and his 5 loss record was utter nonsense, and I'm with Floyd as you are. Shane deserves a fight with Floyd. I could see if Valero just started talking after a win over Pitalua. The man has wanted a fight with Pac for a while since their days at 130. Buster went in with his dad and corner as his only fans and shocked the world by beating Mike. In boxing today, it's pick and choose as a champion if you are a draw. Valero deserves a fight with PAc. Pac doesn't have bigger fish to fry, he just has more options and more money to make.

 

While it may not always be the case, but usually it's the big name opponents who are the really good ones.

Anyway, I don't think Valero is unproven as a fighter, he's definitely one of the top LWs. But as far as i am concerned, he still hasn't done enough to be considered to be in the mix with the elites.

The thing is, I think Valero's in a tough position right now. His power is scary enough that he probably won't be considered for the tune-up fights of the elite fighters (since one flush shot might be all that it takes) so his chances of making some breakthrough perfomance against an elite are slim. So the best way he can get the really big fights is if he goes after the them the hard way - cleaning up a division or beating a significant number of top A or B fighters and really making a name for himself.

Like what happened for Pac, he pretty much cleaned up the 122 lb division before he got his shot agains MAB at 126. I think at this point career wise, I consider Valero to be at the same stage as Pac was during the middle of his 122 stint.

If he does get a really big fight at this stage of his carreer, well good for him. I highly doubt it though.

 

Floyd never said anything too negative about Shane, last I remember Mayweather was the one trying to get him in a fight TWICE since 2006, so Mayweather knows how good Shane is and if he didn't he wouldn't have attempted to get him in the ring. Also, Mayweather made it clear that his next fight is either Pacquiao or Shane if he gets by Marquez and Shane knows well about this.

Valero has been talking for a long time, I've been reading about this Valero guy speaking about wanting Pacquiao since Pacquiao/Morales II and till this day Valero doesn't have a career defining victory, go figure.

I know very well that any fighter going into the ring has a chance, this is competition/sport, it's not WWE/UFC where they handpick certain guys to make you look good or scripted, name means NOTHING, who would of thought that Pacquiao would be where he is today the day he stepped in against Ledwaba?, you build yourself in the ring.

Though even though that's how it works you have to also understand that it's a business and when Pacquiao has guys like Marquez/Mosley/Cotto/Mayweather in his path why the hell would he look back at Valero who's biggest win is Petito?

 

Hatton's people would not even take this fight right now. I'm talking reality. Valero is just talking Scar, don't take it so personal. A two division champ who was also a champ at 130 along with Pac who has won all fights by ko is something worth mentioning.

 

I'm not taking it personal at all, I like to see him talk, why would I hate him for talking?, he's a boxer looking to bring more entertainment in the sport. Nothing to hate about there at all, maybe because I'm a Pac fan you would assume I'm hating, not at all.

I'm just saying that it's OKAY to talk but at least do something to prove it as right now he's simply NOT in Pacquiao's league, not even in his division either. Valero has enough time, he's 27 and has a lot of time to build up a record and reputation, to top it off he's also undefeated which should attract more fans.

Just looking forward to what he does. Also I disagree that a fight with Hatton would be useless, it would be Valero's biggest test to date and he can make a lot out of it. Though it might not happen but I'm just saying, still there are many options out there and I'm looking forward to it.

 

Velero will struggle against anyone half decent let alone manny or marquez

 

Floyd criticized Shane's record as if he was undeserving of a fight with Floyd. Pac has the world at his feet we know that...just don't tell me that Valero does not deserve a fight with Pac. Pac just has more options that can make him big money. Valero just has to enter the sweepstakes.

 

Mayweather made an accurate statement, he was referring to Mosley's loss to Cotto which hasn't been taken care of, he never said he WON'T fight him because of that he just pointed it out then admitted that Mosley is a future target nevertheless.

I'm not saying Valero is worthless or undeserving, right now the experience gap is huge, that's what makes it look more like a tune-up than an actual MAIN event. Resume and experience are very important to bring big fights, why do you think rankings exist despite the corruption here and there?

Right now I wouldn't say he's undeserving but would say he's not ready for a fight like that regardless of what he says and Pacquiao has far bigger/better options money and legacy wise.

 

The thing is, Pac worked his butt off to get where he is. True, his career was well handled, but he still worked his butt off. To say that Valero deserves a shot sort of undermines everything Pac did to get where he is.

Let's say Valero has a 10-20% chance of wining against Pac (for the sake of argument) For a fight that does absolutely nothing to Pac's legacy or wallet, 10-20% is too big a risk IMO. We'd all love it if it was like during the early days of boxing where fighters would fight every couple of weeks and have enough chances to take on all challengers but in an era where the top fighters get 2-3 fights a year max, Valero, at this stage, would be a waste of time for Pac.

 

Scar, I'm picking Valero to beat Pac if it happens. I have not picked against Manny since the 1st Morales fight. Pac has options and I know he won't fight Valero...and it's not because he is scared of Valero. Pac has Arum and options. Valero wants that big fight now. People think that this two division champ should prove himself. He doesn't have to prove himself, he just needs exposure. Big difference.

 

Sorry but he needs to prove his self, becomig two division champion means he's ready for the big time?, don't think so, especially when his resume doesn't back it up. Where he's fighting there are many guys worth looking into and fighting, I would recommend that he focuses on those before calling out others, we still haven't seen him in a SINGLE fight where people said is 50/50 before putting him there against Pacquiao.

 

It comes down to money. Pac can't make big money fighting Valero so it won't happen...yet. Just don't tell me that Valero is not deserving. I know the math, but I also know what fighters deserve a shot. Before Dlh and Hatton, Pac was giving lesser guys a shot at him than Valero.

 

It also doesn't mean that Valero is not ready for the big time either. Scar, we can go back and forth all day long about these two, but you won't get me to change my mind, and I won't get you to change yours.

 

Ok, so outside of having a good resume and being a money draw, what constitutes being deserving of a fight against a elite fighter?

The only other reason I can think of is being a belt holder. But that isn't really much a reason IMO since we all know how meaningful belts are nowadays.