Jeffries v Frazier !

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mcvey, May 31, 2009.


  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    Who you got? 15rds
     
  2. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    I dont think Jeffries was as good a puncher as Foreman or Liston based on records. In a 25 rd fight he may be the favourite but Frazier likely wins a decision over Jeff in this fight
     
  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    I think this would be an absolute war and definitely a candidate for fight of the year.

    Jeffries would probably not do a Foreman on Frazier though I could imagine him breaking Frazier down and stoppong him late.

    Jeffries esentialy edged Tom Sharkey with one good hand by fighting on the retreat and countering with his right. Towards the end of the fight he switched to a southpaw stance and used his jab to control Sharkey.

    Give Jeffries his right hand smash to punish Frazier for coming forward and a left jab to use at range and he has the tools to win against the left hooking Frazier on paper.

    On thge other hand if Jeffries dosnt stop Frazier and is unable to prevent the left hook landing consistently then Fraziers workrate figheshim a good chance of winning the decision.
     
  4. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'd go for Smokin' Joe.

    He has similar intangibles to Jeffries, and unlike the majority of Jeffries' opponents, is a true heavyweight.
    He'd fight at a higher tempo than Jeff was used to and win on points.
     
  5. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Frazier chops him to pieces and stops him in six ..
     
  6. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's too hard to say.... We don't have enough film on file to evaluate Jeffries ability to deal with a serious pressure fighter like Joe Frazier.......

    Jeffries is the bigger / stronger man.....

    Jeffries would have to hurt Frazier early and slow him down, or Frazier cruises to a decision victory...... I can't really say......

    MR.BILL
     
  7. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    I think Fraziers workrate makes the differance for me.
     
  8. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't know who would win if they came along at the same time.

    Time machined, each from their own day, I'd favor Jeffries by a tissue-thin margin over 25 rounds in 1903; Frazier by a bigger, but not big, margin over 15 rounds in 1971.
     
  9. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    I dont think that a fighter who could stop Jeffries in six has ever breathed.
     
  10. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Although I have the utmost respect for James Jeffries, I think this is a potential mismatch. Frazier was a fighter unlike any Jeffries had ever met, and would bring a type of speed and power to the table that was unmatched during Jeff's era. Jeffries' tendency to have holes in his defense would make for taking a lot of solid shots and probably early. In the 20 recorded pro fights that Jeffries had, his nose was broken on three occasions including once by a 5'8" 150 lb fighter, not to mention, he rarely fought men who exceded 200 lbs period. Not to throw in the race thing, but it should be noted that Jeffries rarely ever faced black men either, and the only name of note was Peter Jackson who was several years removed from his prime....

    The only real thing that I could see Jeffries doing, was using his size, strength and inside holding techniques to neutralize some of Frazier's attacks, perhaps stretching the fight a big longer. I don't see this working forever though. Joe could hit to the body, head, and would even attack Jeff's guard if need be. Jim's top conditioning along with his overall mental and physical toughness would keep around for a while, but I don't see him doing anything significantly damaging to Joe Frazier...
     
  11. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What a fight that would be! Jeffries would stop Frazier late...in my opinion.
     
  12. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    The very close fights with 5'8 182lb Tom Sharkey show us why jeffries would not beat the best of the swarmers. Frazier wide unanimous.
     
  13. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    You might want to take into acount the fact that Jeffries left arm was out of action during the second Sharkey fight.

    Jeffries injured his left training for the fight and it was posponed a couple times.

    In the end Jeffries decided to go ahead with it anyway because he was bound by contractural obligations.

    Jeffries held Sharkey off the entire fight with just his right hand and later in the fight switched to a southpaw stance to use his jab.
     
  14. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Frazier by competitive but clear decision.
     
  15. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This could be a good fight but Frazier wins by UD. Jeffries can hurt Frazier with right on a few occasions though. Frazier's workrate would in him this fight.