Best fighter you`ve ever seen in their prime ?

lightheavy-Saad Muhammad, Galindez

middleweight-Hagler

jr middle-Tony Ayala, Hearns, Julian Jackson, Terry Norris

Welter-Pipino Cuevas, Napoles

 

That review seemed quite biased against Pep in general.

 

"Manos de Piedra" himself Roberto Duran against Ray Leonard in the first fight and Azumah Nelson versus Wilfredo Gomez in 1984.

 

Say what you want. Albert Chalky Wright was a World Champion and IS a Hall of Famer.

 

Dear My Fair Lady,

This post further confirms that you are a poser as much as you are petty.

 

Oh, I'll prove that your so-called argument is empty. See below.

What it indicates is how great Pep was considered to be.

Read this and concede the point:
[Roberto Duran] (before anybody starts usual talk about how good [Duran] was, [Leonard] was 7-2 favorite in this bout, this should tell you all you need to know about how good [Duran]was considered to be at the time)

--Do you see how utterly silly that sounds? By the by, the odds for Leonard over Duran in I were 9-5. Among a panel of boxing experts, it was 7-2.

Big deal, maybe he had an off night. That fight was Pep's 12 fight in 6 months! How convenient that you fail to mention that.

Here's a more representative example of Pep's ability:
New York Times, 11/21/42.

"Pep gives boxing lesson to Chalky Wright.... no other verdict was possible. He won 11 of the 15 rounds going away..."

"In the late stages of the battle Pep was able not only to be elusive but to turn at times and actually outslug the hardhitting Wright."

This mind you, was when Pep was a wee lad of 21 while Wright was a veteran at 30.

Wright's last loss was to Allie Stolz. And Pep gave Stolz a boxing lesson to end all boxing lessons in Jan 1943. -Stolz was heading to the wrong corner twice, Pep floored him cleanly in the second, and had him in distress throughout the one sided affair.

James Dawson of the Times, continues:
"Stolz's vaunted cleverness was discounted, as was his supposed superior hitting power, established ring generalship, and Allie's pull of nearly 6 lbs in weight." Pep was a "perpetual motion machine."

"With startling ease the amazing Willie Pep fashioned his 59th ring victory in an unbroken string that started with his first fight in July 1940."

"Pep blasted on the one hand the suspicion that he was lucky to win his title on an off night for Chalky Wright and on the other shattering any illusions Stolz may have had" about had of getting back into contention.

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...These articles were in the next day's New York Times. Both fights took place at Madison Square Garden. And there's plenty more where those came from. So much for "distorted old memories". Garfield's perceptions are fully consistent with Pep's contemporaries and everyone knew it except for you in your out-of-space capsule for one.

--I'm going to see if I can Fed-Ex JG's shoes to your address in Russia so that you can shine them and send them back at your own expense. For penance.

What's the point of this?

Let's summarize it for everyone:
Willie Pep KO2 Jimmy McAllister

 

1) Read more on Pep at the time and prior to Chalkie Wright fight. Pep wasn't considered great. He was considered a clown, and with typical aggressive manner, and not the elusive boxer he showed to be in that fight, which was a surprise to everyone. Thus 7-2 shows how little Wright was thought of, not how highly Pep was rated.

2) Pep was far from unhittable or outboxable prior to plane crash, as I have shown. You can, of course, find a hundred reports proving the opposite - where he was beating tomato cans, as about 90% or more of his opposition at the time was very weak.

3) You can focus on the result, but the point is Pep was given trouble and then outboxed silly by a weak-chinned tomato-can, and that was not just one fight, but in two fights. It's Pep's luck that McAllister had such a weak chin, or Pep'd have lost a wide decision on points.

 

SRL(the dancing baby)
Jones(spectacular)
Tyson(KO!)
Ali(again the dancing)
Pernall(defense)

 

My lifetime:

Ali (Liston 1, Williams, Terrell)

Jones (Toney, Griffin 2)

Leonard (Benitez, Hearn 1)

Mayweather (Corales, Gatti)

Whittaker (Any fight at prime, Chavez)

Duran (Leonard 1, Moore, Barkley)




Before I started following the sport:

SRR



Re Sweetpea's remarks:

Ali didn't have the conventional techniques down pat, but, like RJJ later, his genius and athleticism rendered them unnecessary.

The sheer poetry of his performances make it mind-boggling that he would be outside any top 20, given the man's movement for his size.

But each to his own, especially in the aesthetics department.

 

I second this one, no doubt.

 

Note to self:

Never **** Stonehands off.

 

I think it is and has been obvious that this distinction belongs to you and you only. What a disrespectful *****.

 

...Pep had already beat future Hall of Famer Wright. And did so very impressively. And he was 21 years old when he did it -a mere youth. Pep was considered something special after that.

Give me a break. You typically do this -build evidence upon an often flimsy premise and pretend that it is objectively proving something. It does -your bias.

...good grief.

Beware of scattered facts in an irresponsible mind.

 

Why argue with Senya anyways thats what he wants everyone to do. He just likes to make controversial statements and pull up some newspaper clippings to make arguments. I'm pretty much positive that he's not really even biased because he doesn't believe a word he's saying.