Hatton to be trained by Roach

Like I said before, what did Mayweather say? What were his instructions? What plan/instructions was Hatton ignoring. Or is it all conjecture from you...

The Mayweathers are a trashy arrogant family which don't like losing - when Hatton got embarrassed v pac, it could never have been partially Floyd's fault could it??? No it was all Hatton---not listening

You are going round accusing Hatton of being arrogant and ignorant, ignoring his coaches and trainers - yet you don't know ****. Has Hatton admitted he never listened to Floyd?? why did he fork out all that money for him then? If you are going to badmouth Hatton, at least get your facts straight.

And I think fight plans v Pacquiao consist of more than 'keep your hands up'.

 

[quote="TKO";4176608]With hindsight, maybe Hatton and Floyd Senior was always destined to end in tears. A fighter whose natural instinct is to have a tear up and who doesn't always follow instructions with a

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well said. would floyd ever say - "i take full responsibility for that loss - I gave Hatton bad training and advice"?? more chance of a blowjob from the queen

 

Good points, Hatton needs to quit the sport, his head is not right ever since he lost to Floyd jr. Dr.Roach will be no good at this late stage of Hatton's career.

 

He could batter Khan (and Roach) after beating MAB, and he could beat Timothy Bradley for the 140lb belts and retire a champion.

It's never nice to retire after losing.

 

This is about how I see it. We all know Hatton's style is a little reckless at time, but on the other hand we all know what an arrogant lot the Mayweather's actually are. When a fighter trained by FM senior gets his clock cleaned like that, it doesn't seem at all far fetched that he's going to place the blame solely on the fighter rather than acknowledge thst there may have been some flaw in his thinking. Who knows which one it is, but as ever with Hatton there are a number of people keen to make massive assumptions in the never-ending quest to do him down.

Agree re: Pac, if it was as simple as "keep your hands up and he won't be able to take you out" against a fighter with his arsenal every fighter would do it.It's not and never has been.

 

To be honest I kind of agree with The Uzi here. I don't think a win over Khan would do much for Hatton. Khan is still completely unproven and while he may get the better of Kotelnik, this would show nothing other than that Warren is a clever matchmaker. Fighter with little punch power and who is aging a little = only 140 champ Khan can beat. He gets his clock cleaned by anyone who can punch. Hatton could beat Bradley, but with all the ?s hanging over him after the Pac fight, he could well end up losing it as well, which there would have been no chance of a couple of years ago. Whilst Bradley is unspectacular, he is a solid, well schooled, workaday fighter and is a risk probably not worth taking at this stage. If I was him, I would have one comeback fight at the MEN, retire and enjoy my ongoing good health and my money.

 

No Khan fight then?

 

Seems unlikely that Roach will relocate to Manchester, or that Hatton wil relocate to LA....for any significant period of time.

 

Fight plans are irrelevant when someone does the absolute basics all wrong when they get in the ring. Hatton was very clearly instructed to keep his hands up. Did he keep his hands up? Hatton was very clearly instructed to use his jab. Did he use his jab? Hatton was very clearly instructed to move his head. Did you see much head movement? Mayweather in the corner said to Hatton: "You should have listened to me from day one". Does that sound like Hatton had taken Mayweather's advice on board to you?

No one, other than those within the Hatton camp, knows exactly what the fight plan was - but a fight plan is futile when the fighter makes very basic errors as soon as they get in the ring. Do you seriously think that Roach could come up with a fight plan that would work for someone who can't even do the basics right anymore?

The blame ultimately has to lie with Hatton. It was Hatton making the basic errors in the ring - it was the basics that caused Hatton to be knocked out in two rounds.

I don't think the Mayweathers being a "trashy and arrogant family which don't like losing" (which they undoubtedly are) makes any difference to how good they are in the sport of boxing.

But I definitely think that from what I've seen there are things that Floyd Snr should have done differently - southpaw padwork for one. Doing southpaw pads helps with footwork and the different leverages and angles of punches, but Floyd Snr decided to orthodox. The combinations of the mitts didn't seem right to me either, especially for the type of fighter Hatton is. However, that isn't what cost Hatton the fight.

I've not accused Hatton of being arrogant. He has ignored his trainers when he's got in the ring though. Looking at who it is coming from, I think I'll take being told that I "don't know ****" as a compliment. Do you really think Hatton would come out say he never listened to Floyd? That would be like him saying before a fight that he's not in the shape of his life and him referring to himself in the first person for a change - but it's never going to happen. Hatton forked out that money because he wanted the best trainer, and thought that's what he was getting. Hatton was starting to blame Billy Graham instead of just realising that his career was starting to demise. It's easier to blame someone else than yourself.

And I'm not "badmouthing" Hatton, I'm just looking at it from a realistic point of view. I've been a Hatton fan for years and I don't want to see him risk his health further. He's been a two-weight world champion and earnt a lot of money - what reason has he got to continue? Hatton's punch resistance, fitness and all round ability have dimished, along with the ability to rectify his weaknesses - it's just not worth carrying on.

You can't implement any plan if you can't defend yourself.

And to turn your own thoughts on you: how do you know that Roach or anyone else can come up with a better plan if you don't know what Mayweather's plan was?

 

Roach is a great tacticain especially offensivly cant see no harm

 

Yet again, he knows all the defensive moves like moving his head, blocking with his arms, parrying etc However his technique in doing these moves is poor. He'll be parrying while jumping in with his chin up, his other hand will be low etc etc

Hattons skill level isn't poor, his technique however is really sloppy.

 

I think that your aviator answers every question about what Hatton should do...... he has got as high as he can go at 140.... suffered to concusive KO's...time to retire IMO :yep

 

If Roach is in fact to train Hatton then it gives credence to Floyd Mayweather Senior calling him a Joke Coach. After the Pacman contest Roach was one of those saying Hatton should retire, not risk getting permanently damaged and even making reference to his own career going on longer than he should have and the Parkinson's syndrome he suffers from today.

 

Intense pressure fighters wil usually be found out at top level.Defence is secondry to offence. I do think hatton relied to much on outstrengthing his opponents post Tzu. Small mistakes in Hattons technique were massively magnified against 2 elite fighters.

 

[quote="TKO";4176608]With hindsight, maybe Hatton and Floyd Senior was always destined to end in tears. A fighter whose natural instinct is to have a tear up and who doesn't always follow instructions with a trainer who is his own biggest fan and would far rather wash his hands of any responsibility for a fighter's loss. Sounds like a recipe for disaster when you look at it like that.[/quote]It was and I said so at the time,I allso said again at the time when he let Billy go that he should have gone to Roach.