Is it a bad precendent for The Ring to give Klit/Chagaev winner the title?

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  1. unclepaulie

    unclepaulie Run like an antelope! Full Member

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    Just because the top two refuse to fight each other? I'm not really on either side of the fence here inre: Klitschko-Haye (or Chagaev for that matter) but I think if Chagaev and Klitschko fight it shouldn't necessarily be for the title. After all, there isn't a special circumstance (injury, etc.), the top two just flat out refuse to fight.
     
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  2. Kostya Zoo

    Kostya Zoo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    u should know by now that to create a ring champion #1 has to fight #2 or #3. chag is 3 there's nothing to argue
     
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  3. unclepaulie

    unclepaulie Run like an antelope! Full Member

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    But it's only under "special circumstances" that 1-3 is for a title. In this case I don't see anything special about the fact that the 1 and 2 flat out refuse to fight. They are clearly the best in the division and the drop-off between 2-3 is HUGE. How does beating Chagaev prove that Wlad is the champion of the division, when #2 is possibly even better than #1????
     
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  4. boxingwizard

    boxingwizard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The precedent's already happened before, Vitali and Wladimir aren't fighting, might as well put the Ring Magazine title on the line.
     
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  5. unclepaulie

    unclepaulie Run like an antelope! Full Member

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    Has it happened just because the top two refused to fight each other?

    And don't you think "might as well..." is a ****-poor reason to crown a champion?
     
    unclepaulie, Jun 5, 2009
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  6. tays001

    tays001 ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    well Calzageh vs lacy was for the title at 168 and lacy was #3 at the time
     
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  7. unclepaulie

    unclepaulie Run like an antelope! Full Member

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    Who was 2? And what were the circumstances?
     
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  8. 1-Ton

    1-Ton Walking in the Light Full Member

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    Credit to The Ring for finally deciding to recognize a HW champ. They apparently weren't going to give the title to Wlad following a likely defeat of Haye anyways. So, a Wlad/Chagaev match is ultimtely better for the division.
     
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  9. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    It should be for the title. the only other way is if somebody beats both Wald and Vatili which anit gonna happen, plus there never gonna fight each other
     
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  10. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    #1 vs #3 for The Ring belt has happened multiple times and in multiple divisions. It is nothing new.
     
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  11. unclepaulie

    unclepaulie Run like an antelope! Full Member

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    I understand this. My point is that the "special circumstances" creating the title possibility is that 1 and 2 just refuse to fight and I think that is a first for that.
     
    unclepaulie, Jun 5, 2009
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  12. the_brigand

    the_brigand I'll Eat Her Later... Full Member

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    It's not about 'special circumstances' it's if the Ring decision making body feels that the #3 contender is worthy or nearly as worthy as the #2 contender. I don't think that saying 'the brothers won't fight' is a good excuse and I don't think that Chagaev is a spectacular #3. ..but that's my opinion.
     
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  13. unclepaulie

    unclepaulie Run like an antelope! Full Member

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    WE agree in spirit here, as I think there is no comparison between HW 2 and 3, but it IS about special circumstances, per their own policy:

     
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  14. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    Ring title is just a trinket like the others. The lineal title is still the only one that matters.
     
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  15. unclepaulie

    unclepaulie Run like an antelope! Full Member

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    Right, but atm it is the defacto creator of linearity. So.... how is linearity created if not going by The Ring? Total unification? 2/3 (or 3/4) of alphabet belts?
     
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