What was the greater performance: Whitaker-Nelson or Leonard-Benitez?

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  1. DINAMITA

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    Two truly great performances from two of the greatest boxers ever.

    But which of these two displays impressed you more?

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  2. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Leonard. He fought a prime Benitez while Nelson was on the down swing.
     
  3. DINAMITA

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    If you were an alien who didn't know who either man was, which performance would impress you most?

    (tweaking the question to focus more on the skills displayed rather than the value of the win)

    Would your answer still be the same? Both men show tremendous ability in those fights I'm sure you'll agree.
     
  4. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nelson was at least 1 weight class up from his best weight, possibly 2. Whitaker has some gems, but I don't rate this as highly as some of his other efforts.
     
  5. klompton

    klompton Boxing Addict banned

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    Whittaker is overrated...
     
  6. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Still go with Leonard. I always thought he brought more to the table than Whitaker.Personally I always enjoyed watching Leonard more anyway.
     
  7. DINAMITA

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    Why so?

    (I strongly disagree!)
     
  8. DINAMITA

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    I'm not saying Whitaker is a better fighter, just trying to focus on two specific performances and decide which was the better of the two. I think Leonard is the fractionally more effective fighter and fractionally greater in all-time pound-for-pound terms, but some of Whitaker's masterclasses are as good as anything else that has been produced in the history of boxing. I think SRL was the greater fighter, but for me Whitaker's performance vs Chavez was significantly better than Leonard's first performance vs Hearns. In that same spirit, this thread is more about the Nelson and the Benitez performances in isolation, it's not a comparison of Pea and Sugar as fighters or in a career sense.
     
  9. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought Whitaker's performance was the more well rounded.

    Benitez offered a hard target for Ray to hit, but offered little else in the fight. It basically just came down to a high speed game of snap, with Ray proving he is a little quicker on the draw.

    Whitaker showed every skill under the sun against Nelson and thoroughly rendered him ineffective, despite a rather earnest effort from Nelson. The effortless way Whitaker did it was all the more impressive as well. He had gears to hit Nelson couldn't even draw out of him.
     
  10. GDG

    GDG Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Whitaker looks more impressive because he makes everything look so simple...that's the beauty of his appeal.

    But if you do factor in the quality of the opponents in front of them and the weight divisions they were fought at, you'd have to say Leonard. Leonard was almost perfect that night to me.
     
  11. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would say Whitaker's, mainly because I think Nelson was better than Benitez.
     
  12. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    I voted for Leonard against Benitez because of the style versus style issue. Whitaker's defeat of all time great, Azumah Nelson, was indeed impressive. Nelson was just a bit more made to order for Whitaker than Benitez was for Leonard.

    In my opinion, greatness is best exhibited with the ability to overcome. I believe Leonard had to overcome more to defeat Benitez.
     
  13. Sweet Pea

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    Azumah was one weight above his best, but it's not as if he was fighting a significantly larger fighter, if at all. In fact, Nelson was probably still the stronger man in the ring. Thus, this win for Whitaker in the fashion it was won can only be attributed to his skill level IMO, and therefore it rates at the very top of the list of his best performances for me.

    To the question: While I'm not sure about the rumors regarding Benitez's lack of training prior, he didn't look at his best to me during the fight, having watched and compared his sharpness, reflexes, and overall ability during it to some of his better efforts from 140-154. Regardless, Leonard put on a masterful display, and even if Benitez was not at his very best for this particular night, he was still a fantastic fighter. To outbox and outslick one of the top men to have fought in the sport in that area the way Leonard did was incredibly impressive. One of the best technical masterclasses of all time, IMO.

    On the other hand, the style of fight that fight undertook played to Leonard's strengths, as it was one of few fights where he could really pick his spots and relax in the ring, as Benitez was a counter-puncher himself. Leonard was just a step ahead of him throughout the night. With Whitaker's performance against Nelson, he was fighting on the backfoot, on the move and behind the jab all night long, a lot of times under serious pressure and barrages. Fighting that way for 12 rounds against a fighter of Nelson's caliber and dominating thoroughly is pretty astonishing.

    I think Whitaker's path to victory was more difficult in regards to the style of fight and the comfort level with which it allowed. Both were among the best technical masterclasses on film, though.
     
  14. Sweet Pea

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    Interestingly enough, I see it as the exact opposite, which is why I probably give the edge to Pea, despite the fact that Wilfred was likely the better fighter than Nelson.
     
  15. smitty_son408

    smitty_son408 J ust E njoy T his S hit Full Member

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    Depends on what you like. Whitaker looked to have the better performance, boxing Nelson soundily, while Leonard stuggled at times (with the better fighter) and had to exert himself for the win. Masterclass or competitive chess match?

    I will vote for Whitaker-Nelson.