Gatti Vs Naz @ 130- 1995-1996- Could have happened- who wins and why?

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  1. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    reasons for it?
     
  2. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Fixed:good
     
  3. bringitondown

    bringitondown Member Full Member

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    Funnily enough, as soon as I read the first sentence the second one just popped into my head....
     
  4. bb18

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    what a fight that would have been
     
  5. sitiyzal

    sitiyzal ................. Full Member

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    Says the dumb **** who posted all this;

     
  6. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Give me one sentance that isn't true or qualified with a reason.

    Anyone can come on here and go 'Fighter A beats Fighter B- No Brainer.'

    But it takes a knowlegable person to qualify an opinion. So genius what you got? Qualify your insight......

    This is win-win for me. I KNOW you can't effectively qualify what you've said and if you don't reply it will be clearly apparent you've disappeared up your butt-butt. What you got sucka?
     
  7. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Can see your online sitiyzal - still waiting
     
  8. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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  9. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  10. sitiyzal

    sitiyzal ................. Full Member

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    Seeing how you're such a rude **** I'll entertain you.


    Not really. Hamed at 126 hit harder than anyone who hurt Gatti at 130. And there's no doubt he'd be able to land. He would've weighed in around 128 for a Gatti bout & wouldn't have lost any power. Despite hardly ever been hit hard until that point, not even in the gym, Hamed's chin was solid. Gatti would have to catch Hamed with one monster shot to get the stoppage. Back then Hamed was still hard to nail. Er, I guess lightning can strike.
    I'll assume this is a joke. I laughed.
    You mean the guys Gatti also went life & death with? Patterson, who had all his previous success world title success at 122 prior to exposing Eddie '**** His Shorts' Hopson, simply battered Gatti over the final 3 rounds. He would've given Hamed a good fight but how the hell does Hamed struggle massively with them all? By neglecting his speed & reflexes?


    Yes, when discussing a 95-96 matchup let's refer to the Hamed of 99-00 who'ed clearly deteriorated. :!:


    ...Gatti was obviously easy to hit, weak to the body, cut & marks up easy. Even ignoring how Manfredy dropped him & opened him up with it being in 98, Gatti was dropped or hurt by lesser punchers than Hamed at 130. He managed to turn it around vs Ruelas & Rodriquez tho Hamed of 95-96 was slicker & quicker than all of them. Hamed starts slow & it may take him longer than usual to find his range due to Gatti's jab & height. He may even suffer & a flash kd & lose his composure, then when he starts to land his power shots

    Gatti quickly marks up & begins to have trouble even seeing. If he doesn't get a stoppage thru multiple knockdowns the doctor stops it. jmo.
     
  11. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Hameds chin was better then average but he was nailed and dropped by Alicea, Johnson, Kelly, Sanchez, Calvo and shaken by Medina, Ingle and Barrera, he was hardly Marvin Hagler was he?

    He fought one puncher of world class repute in his career and boxed like a rabbit in headlights. Also Hamed would have weiged 128?? Don't know where you got that figure from but Gatti would have been close to 145. He was a beast at the weight and much like Scott Harrison, he used his size to his advantage and would simply march through his opponents best punches. Undoubtably Gatti posessed more speed, size and power then any of Hameds opponents other then Barrera.


    He hardly battered Gatti over the last three rounds did he? Gatti completely outboxed him and the reaction at the scorecards was one of suprise that they had scored the bout so closely. Gatti very nearly shut him out in the rematch too. Have you actually seen these fights? :huh

    :huh But you said it would be an easy stoppage? How is getting off the deck taking longer then usual an easy stoppage?

    Also Gatti wasn't on the floor against Ruelas. He was down once against Rodriquez who caught him with a punch he didn't see due to eye damage. That was the first knockdown of his career and his only KD at 130. Though he should have recieved a count Vs Patterson in the rematch. As for the rest of your post Hamed slicker then Ruelas- you sure? Ruelas was an incredibly versatile boxer and very fast.

    Your post is full of contradictions you want me to discount hameds post 1995 form but then use Gatti's as an evidential tool? And as for the De La Hoya and Mayweather Statement. See De La Hoya Vaneluza for details about why Gatti could have won that fight. Mayweather too was not a phenom at 130. His stoppage of Manfreddy was impressive but very premature. Gatti would have been a handful for anyone but the very best at the weight.
     
  12. Dan684

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    When Gatti actually 'boxed' as he did in the 1st 1/3 of the Ward fight and the second Ward fight he proved he can actually box very well. A lot of people dont give Gatti enough credit
     
  13. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    hes not Ray Robinson but he is an underrated boxer.

    But he can get involved too much.
     
  14. Dan684

    Dan684 Dave's Stepdad Full Member

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    Yeah he defo wanted to fight too much but he did have skills. I think he'd have been too much for Naz
     
  15. sitiyzal

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    No, he was dropped by Alicea, Kelly & Johnson only. Rocked by Sanchez when eating a flush powershot & wobbled by Barrera in the 1st. His chin held up fine considering his neck muscles were seemingly as weak as a novice's, which is why his head was easily snapped back when tagged. All which suggested strong natural punch resistance.

    No idea what you're on about here.

    Hamed would'nt need to go upto 130. All this "would he carry his power up" talk is needless. So what if Gatti weighed 145?? Obviously didn't give him an iron jaw at 130, or make him any less vulnerable to the body.

    Huh? Patterson dominated Gatti over the championship rounds. By the fight's end Gatti was being tooled. Many ringside viewers actually thought it was a bad decision, whereas the decision was seen as fair by people who saw it on tv. I haven't see the rematch. Only read the reviews years back. Clearly Patterson was fading by then.

    uhm...as opposed to a long war? Being generous I said he may suffer a flash kd which wasn't unusual for Hamed. Don't act dumb.

    I didn't say Ruelas dropped him, he badly hurt him to the body. Ruelas didn't even show any versatility vs Gatti anyhow. It was a shoot out. So obviously I'm sure.


    No it isn't. I discounted Hamed's form from 99-00 & let you discount Gatti-Manfredy, where Gatti was a few pounds from 130 (like hamed's fights are), much closer to his best form & which was nearer to the period being discussed. I was more than fair.

    You flat out suck. GTFO of your own thread.