Boxing: Klitschko 'to fight brother' as Haye goes to back of queue

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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Accurate.

    :smoke
     
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  2. Akxtinguish

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    Even if it does (1% chance) there would be exactly 0 power punches.

    Compubox would have a field day.
     
    Akxtinguish, Jun 6, 2009
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  3. Farmboxer

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    They will never fight each other period.
     
    Farmboxer, Jun 6, 2009
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  4. NickBarker

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    If the two of them really want to settle who is the best, I have no problem with it. If someone finds the possibility of one man potentially killing another morbid only because it's his kin rather than a stranger, then I believe they are putting a bit too much weight on familial relation. What David Haye says about boxing being a sport much like any other is something I tend to agree with. It's certainly more violent than most, but the principle is ultimately the same.
     
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    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    i come from a good family and was taught about things such as loyalty, honor, dignity and other archaic concepts. i understand not everyone had the luxury of such an upbringing so not everyone is going to see the perversion in the spectacle disguised as sport.
     
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  6. dan-b

    dan-b Boxing Junkie banned

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    If this is the case then The Ring should hold off declaring the winner of Klitschko v Chagaev the champion because the only reason they were prepared to make the exception is that they said they'd never fight one another.
     
    dan-b, Jun 6, 2009
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  7. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    It's utterly ridiculous that Ring would declare the winner of this fight their champion, regardless.

    In fact, it's almost as bad as when Vitali and Sanders fought for the Ring belt.

    :patsch

    The only way a new Ring champion should be named is if:
    A. Wlad and Vitali square off
    B. Wlad or Vitali loses and the other brother faces his conqueror (assuming the conqueror is borderline worthy of a top five spot going into the bout).
     
    Rumsfeld, Jun 6, 2009
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  8. Farmboxer

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    But Klitschkos fighting each other is moot.
     
    Farmboxer, Jun 6, 2009
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  9. dan-b

    dan-b Boxing Junkie banned

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    Technically it is in their rules to, under exceptional circumstances, allow 1 and 3 to fight to fill a vacant championship but I totally understand people's objections to it. I think I'm going to write to The Ring and I suggest others do too. They actually listen to the fans.
     
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  10. Rumsfeld

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    Agreed, but do you think Wlad-Chagaev is really worthy of Ring Championship caliber?

    I sure don't. I reckon Wlad will make easy work of Chagaev for a mid-round stoppage. Even though I believe Wlad would have stopped Haye in the 2nd, I think that fight had more potential than this one.

    I expect Wlad to wear him down in typical fashion, and would be utterly shocked if Chagaev won, and I'd even be surprised if he has more than a few good moments.

    I still think both fighters deserve credit for making this fight happen, but don't see this as a worthy fight for establishing a new lineage.
     
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  12. Rumsfeld

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    I'm aware of their rules.

    I just think it's ridiculous to even elevate Chagaev to that status. His claim to fame is winning debatable decisions against Valuev (I scored that a draw) and Ruiz (could have gone either way).

    The fact is, at this point in time, Wlad and Vitali are the clear choice for #1 & #2, but there is no clear choice for the #3 guy, ergo, my objections.

    However, I do not believe this is as bad as awarding the winner of Vitali-Sanders the same distinction.
     
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  13. Farmboxer

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    Yes. Don King owns 50% of Valouev and 100% of Ruiz, so this is the closest to the WBA title he can get and Chagaev is the real WBA champion, he did beat Valouev.

    In Europe this fight is huge! I think Chagaev will be somewhat difficult at times, but Vlad will win this fight. I am thinking late round TKO or decision, depends. Chagaev has good chin and power. HBO is really stupid for not showing this fight. I hope Showtime shows this fight like they did Vitali Vs. Peter fight.
     
    Farmboxer, Jun 6, 2009
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  14. dan-b

    dan-b Boxing Junkie banned

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    I've always insisted, in the case of the heavyweight division, on WBC/WBA/IBF unification in order to establish new lineage. I know, due to the politics, this has become extremely difficult. The Ring no longer recognise the alphabets within their championship policy but I still think it's the best way. After lineage has been established, the belts become less important.
     
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  15. Farmboxer

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    Never forget that Don King owns 50% of Valouev and 100% of Ruiz.
     
    Farmboxer, Jun 6, 2009
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