Do you think Margarito will someday be forgiven just as Mosley was?

The facts dont like he has a plaster like substance on his wraps/pads.

The pads were hard and stiff according to the court documents.

 

There is a reason his lawsuit against Conte isn't being currently thrown out, like the lawsuit against him was.

 

I don't like to face someone with an unfair advantage be it pads or steroids.

 

Just answer.

 

THE REASON:

The ruling allows the parties to conduct discovery, after which York has reserved the right to review depositions and decide if he wants to dismiss. York said he didn't know if he had jurisdiction.

"Before I can decide anything I have to decide if I have jurisdiction," said York. "There's a lot of money in this case, and I'm not going to shortchange anyone."

[FONT=&quot][/FONT]In the open courtroom of Judge Louis York of the New York State Supreme Court, Conte's attorney called this the "I'm-an-idiot defense" - and York seemed to agree it sounded pretty hard to believe.

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To piggyback off of what you said, it can be tough to determine just how much improvement fighters get from steroids because there aren't really any landmark cases of it like there are for glove tampering. Unless people were to see something like Paulie Malignaggi putting an iron chinned fighter into a coma or something of that nature, nobody can really measure that because guys routinely look sharper or flatter from one fight to the next because there's so many variables involved- stress ,personal life, the camp itself, etc.

As I pointed out in the EPO instance, just being able to make it through training camp healthy and with as much sharpness as possible because of being able to put in more quality work can be an unfair advantage- but how would anyone on the outside know the difference? How could anyone measure it? All anyone would see is that Mosley, someone who's already a great fighter, looks sharp tonight. The variables and lack of ways to measure the benefits from an outsiders perspective on fight night mean it's impossible to peg just how big a role performance enhancers can play.

It's such an ingenious way of skirting the system that nobody would even think twice of accusing Mosley if his supplier hadn't been busted. Alot of people only assume that bad fighters would do something to get an edge because the great ones wouldn't have to. That's why the better the fighter, the more skeptical the fans will be even with the evidence right in their grill, and the less they'll punish him for it. If it's not a great fighter like a Holyfield, Mosley, RJJ, etc., then there's alot less stoppng fans from calling entire careers into question.

 

You're putting words in my mouth like you have me figured out/predicted, sure go ahead.

Fact is you're trying to make them both look like they belong in the same page and it's not even close. If Mosley used something that he wasn't caught after the fight or before for using like Vargas and Toney were just to name a few then the man is clean as far as I'm concerned. Let's face it, if they couldn't catch him what makes you think they could catch someone else that used it?

These guys make a living looking into these things and if there is something to take that enhances performance WITHOUT being caught I assure you they will all be all over it. Besides, steroids have been a hot discussion in ALL sports for a VERY long time, many sportsmen use it. You don't hear enough about guys loading up gloves in comparison to that.

 

I will be honest with you, I have never boxed, so I do not know how to answere that, but from what I have seen loaded gloves do(resto fight) I would rather fight someone with a "stamina enhancing" drug, what you told me mosley took.

 

You are correct, we don't really know what it was.

 

My friend ... that's a strange logic:huh

If I rob a bank ... toss the money to my buddy in the car and walk down the street. I'm not guilty of robbing the bank????????

 

I look at like this.


Mosley is already way skilled. Him taking EPO allows him to have more stamina. He already can fight 12 rounds pretty good as it is.

Instead of throwing 40 punches a round Mosley can now do 45-50 (example number). While he could still throw 40 punches without EPO but with pads.

Who do you want to face?

 

Yeah you do have point, I have to agree. I would rather take an x amount more punches then someone who throws the same with pads.

 

I understand your stance Scar, but to be fair, the guys trying to bust the producers are always at least a step behind as far as testing goes- there's just not as much money in developing tests as there is in developing the drugs, and that backdrop will always result in the guys who create having the advantage. For example, there's never been a positive test in any of the major sports or the Olympics for HGH, and the entire reason substances like the clear are invented are to slip by tests. Athletes who take the right substances, or even the wrong ones at the right times, can get away with it forever if testing is the only avenue to weed them out. They have to be caught from a client list or receipt, if they're going to get caught at all.

 

So according to you, with all these types of drugs that are somewhat undetectable, do you think there are boxers using it? And if yes who would you suspect?

 

"i agree that loaded gloves and steroids are not the same thing"
that sentenced should have been a clue to an impartial reader that i dont think they belong in the same page.
shane admits to using but he remains clean as far as you are concerned and margo denies knowing but hes a pos cheater. how could i have missed the obvious impartiality.
i dont put words in anyones mouth. my arguments dont rely on legitimizing my personal prejudices. i am pretty sure ive read your comment that you felt margo had to have known he was cheating if it was not you then i retract that statement. oh,and in all honesty, i do think i have you figured out.