Do you think Margarito will someday be forgiven just as Mosley was?

So you're coming here to tell me that Mosley using EPO in another fight years ago can be compared to Margarito loading up his gloves going in his last fight?

 

"i agree that loaded gloves and steroids are not the same thing"
i guess i had to quote myself again. third times the charm.
by the way, any 2 things are comparable in the proper context and in the context of knowingly cheating, yes they are comparable.

 

I'm sorry but I don't understand your stance. The courts never held a position in regards to whether or not he took steroids; he admitted that he took them. The only question is to whether or not he knowingly took them at the time. That the judge has not dismissed the case is immaterial - eze only brings up the fact that Shane took prohibited drugs.

 

They definitely fall in the "cheating" category but there are also levels to it, otherwise all suspensions/fines for whatever these guys do remain the same.

What Margarito did was in the face type of cheating. Mosley didnt' really fail any test using EPO and that's not his problem. Can't compare taking a performance enhancing substance with plaster in the gloves to improve punching power.

Both are cheating but one is definitely FAR worse in this case and I won't approve of all this Mosley stuff till I see what they will do about it.

 

I wouldn't know the first place to begin. Although it'd be naive to say nobody's on anything, I think the fallout from the Balco case has still got fighters on edge that testing negative might not be enough to put them in the clear (pun intended). As such, I think the number of guys on something is probably less than it was 10-20 years ago, but that's just speculation on my part.

In the 90's, it was a little easier to spot in obvious cases because anyone could look at guys like Morrison and Holyfield and know something was up because they'd turned into bloated bodybuilders from beginning their careers as muscular, but still lean, fighters. Now? Fighters do it smarter, and it's not nearly as obvious to notice. Being perfectly honest, had Shane not come up in the Balco scandal, I wouldn't have thought he was the least bit suspicious. I was shocked when I heard his name pop up.

 

I read this earlier as well. IMO opinion Conte is a major criminal and I wouldn't put anything past him. I bet this will eventually go to trial. I think Mosley will lose, but I still think this goes to court. However, imo an asterisk is enough for Shane and a 6 month ban should have been enough for Marg. To be honest, there will be no way to prove that either fighter knowingly cheated.

 

Mosley admitted to it.

 

so what is your barometer for crusifying or geting a pass when it comes to cheating? if i knew the LEVEL that tips it for you i might better understand your logic.

 

He said he didn't know what he was taking was illegal. He never said that he knowingly took something that he thought was illegal.

 

One guy got caught cheating and is suspended for it and the other guy is being discussed about possibly cheating a few years ago with theories flying here and there from various sources with no official verdict announced.

Hoping it's not too complicated this time.

 

I'll post this again ...... MOSLEY ADMITTED USING UNDER OATH!!!!!

Boxer "Sugar" Shane Mosley testified in 2003 that he injected himself with the notorious doping agent EPO as he prepared for his light-middleweight title fight against Oscar De La Hoya, according to grand jury transcripts and doping calendars reviewed by the Daily News.

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The Mosley transcripts are part of a massive BALCO file that was under a protective order from March of 2004 until last week, when U.S District Court Judge Susan Illston vacated the order at the request of prosecutors who are preparing for the March 2 trial of Barry Bonds on perjury charges.

In the testimony, recorded on Dec. 11, 2003, at the federal courthouse in San Francisco, Mosley also said that BALCO founder Victor Conte explained in detail how the drug was used and what its effects would be, including the potential harmful effects of the highly-regulated endurance booster. Mosley has admitted publicly and under oath that he used steroids and EPO, but has denied knowing that the drugs were banned or illegal.

When asked if he had gotten EPO from Conte, Mosley replied: "Yes, the hematocrit."

"And that's something you actually inject into yourself?" he was asked by Assistant U.S. Attorney Jeff Nedrow.

"I think it's right by your stomach, yes," Mosley said, indicating where the drug is often injected.

Conte has said he instructed Mosley on techniques for drawing EPO from a bottle with a syringe and injecting it in each side of the belly button in what is known as "double-saturation" injections.

At one point in the questioning, Nedrow produced a calendar seized from the BALCO lab showing Mosley used a potent cocktail of steroids and EPO right up until a few days before his victorious fight with De La Hoya on Sept. 13, 2003. The calendars denote which days Mosley was supposed to take which substances.

 

Your own quote proves me right.

 

No he later admitted to knowingly taking EPO and knowing what it was. He even pointed out the days on his calendar and what EPO stood for and that he would inject himself on these days.

 

"Mosley has admitted publicly and under oath that he used steroids and EPO, but has denied knowing that the drugs were banned or illegal."

 

it is complicated again because you didnt answer my question. your statement would sound a little more impartial if you said "one guy got caught cheating and the other admitted to it.
just so you can understand the question i will give you an acceptable answer that would fit your argument as an example.

"i think that if a cheater admits to cheating he should get a pass and if he denies it he should be banned for life". try that one on for size and if it doesnt fit give me one that does. and please be direct, no spin on the facts.