In 1994 Ken Buchanan went to New York to look for Roberto Duran

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ah, okay. Thanks
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Also, Ken's persuit of a rematch was not proffessional. He split with his manager of money/trust issues and decided to manage himself from then on. His management style as regards persuing a rematch was passive. He spent a lot of time "waiting for a call". He didn't use media sources to persue Duran and he didn't attend Duran's fights to call him out and he didn't, as far as I can tell, make a great deal of effort in terms of forcing Roberto's people to make a move.


    Buchanana actually disagrees with you for what it is worth. He claims he felt Duran weakining through the 11th and that Duran's punch, after the bell and below the belt, was the desperate move of a desperate man.

    I'm not conivnced by that for a minute - but I do think the fact that Ken was defending champion and the fight ended in very controversial circumstances means that, regardless of Buchanan's management position and regardless of the scores on the cards, the lack of rematch does not reflect well on Roberto Duran.
     
  3. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    as much as i agree that doesnt imply that nothign coudl change
     
  4. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To be fair to Duran it was Buchanan who kept swinging after the bell. I also don't think the fight was going in Buchanan's direction in the 13th round, he took quite a battering actually.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RzLqn9Uqto

    Buchanan did deserve an instant rematch however but we know that this is not always the case in boxing. Duran was still a developing fighter at the time and his managers would rather have him fight softer opposition for a while. Buchanan could have probably forced the fight to be made later on had he beaten Ishimatsu for the WBC version of the title but that was not to be.
     
  5. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    From memory Duran had swung after the bell on numerous occasions and this was the first time Ken tried it himself, had enough of it i think. Hope i am right lol
     
  6. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I can't say I remember Duran throwing punches after the bell in any round of that fight.

    Duran did taunt him but Buchanan has only himself to blame if he was angered by any of that.
     
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    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    make alot of woodwork frames for houses as well as carpentry jobs like said before but it is mostly the wood for houses
     
  8. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    That's a sad story. Poor Ken. :-(


    For the record, he was offered a rematch, contrary to what is often written, but in Panama.
     
  9. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Neither am I, but even if Buchanan was right, Duran's later history suggests that he would not have wilted dramatically enough to be stopped, as even Hagler failed to do this.
    Duran probably agrees with this. Very late in his career, Roberto quickly dispatched a hapless victim on live television, leaving the broadcast with a leisurely surplus of air time, much of which was spent at ringside reminiscing with Duran about his career. Interestingly, he credited Buchanan as being his best opponent (at this advanced stage, his rematch with Camacho was the only significant bout in his future).
     
  10. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Really i never knew about that, i'm intrigued though, if you could tell more then i'd appreciate that
     
  11. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I wouldn't say it reflects "well", however, nor would I hold it too much against him given his career long courage in facing giants and monsters.

    I'd hate to hear some goof quoting you the next time he's getting his head handed to him about Roy or Floyd's pattern of avoiding real challenges during their primes ---I can hear them now: "Hey now! Roberto shoulda gave Kenny a rematch!" and they'll feel justified quoting the mighty McGrain.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Like Teeto I'd be happy to hear some detail, if you have it.

    :lol:

    This is exactly the way to get me to retract - but I can't.

    What I would say is that Buchanan didn't put the type of pressure on the champion for anyone to be able to say "he was ducked".

    Be interesting to see if Conteh has any more details.
     
  13. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I always thought Ken's title losing loss to Duran was strange and glossed over by Duran fans as some huge victory when it was a highly competitive fight that ended on a bad foul ... very interesting story although you have to be a bit nuts to go after Duran in the street without a weapon and the element of surprise ... if he was so serious why didn't he go to Panama or Miami for Duran ?
     
  14. HomicideHenry

    HomicideHenry Many Talents, No Successes Full Member

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    Its settled, Duran and Buchanan must have a rematch on the White Collar circuit!
     
  15. Mantequilla

    Mantequilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What does he have to say about the Suzuki fight Mcgrain?.Apparently a lot of shady things went on in the run up to the fight to disrupt him.

    I think he would have beaten Guts had he not been hampered by the eye injury.