The julio cesar chavez sr appreciation thread

More insults after your facts are proven wrong.


I thought he had a glove on and a wrap signed off.

I thought it was bricks? **** I thought it was actually plaster too.


**** oh wait, the court documents show all that to be false and you sir are exposed.

Thanks for playing.

 

great champ .:deal

 

It's JCC you're talking about. Check some fights out. You might learn a thing or two. Your opinion is worth less than your hater ass.

 

http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/2009/0124_margarito_mosley/columns/nazim_profile.html

yeah there ya go. He DID only have the hand completely wrapped instead of the glove on, which in your strange little world means that the bricks that fell out of his wraps don't matter.

Listen to me, and I'll explain this really slowly: Nobody except you gives the slightest, tiniest little flying **** whether the glove was on or the hand was just taped. It doesn't matter to anyone else. What matters are the bricks in the wrapped hands.

Do you get it now? Can you REALLY be this stupid?

Are you just a troll, or are you actually this mentally 'different'?

 

Are you sure? You were just arguing with me about him having a glove on compared to only having a wrap. And that seemed to matter to you.

Nor did the "bricks" as you call them fall out of his wraps. Both were taken out by hand. Neither hit the floor. They were knucklepads with a plaster like substance on them.

I don't see how you call these pads bricks were they are made of gauze with a substance put on them.

you would call a brick hard not stiff. Which clearly the court documents show that the pads were stiff in the center and hard on the edges.


Your personal attacks do nothing but make you look like more of a fool and even a bigger exposed fraud.

Just admit you were wrong, went crazy over nothing and be done with it.

 

You have convinced me. While we're at it, did you know that people keep claiming over and over that Panama Lewis just yanked all the horsehair out of Luis Resto's gloves with his hands? It seems obvious to me that this was NEVER proven, because he could VERY WELL have used tweezers and OBVIOUSLY he could have left some padding in the glove. It was never stated explicitly that he took it ALL out.

I think you should make that your next big forensic examination, Dr. Quincy. There has been a major miscarriage of justice here.

 

you're a big tool an can't stand the fact that your stupid ass was exposed.

Thanks.

 

Listen inbred: It doesn't matter if the brick fell out of the glove or the wrap. What matters is that there was a brick.

Is that simple enough to wrap your little sloping forehead around?

 

It wasn't a brick either.

You wouldn't describe a brick as being stiff would you?

 

Because I don't share your opinion that he is an indestructible God, then I need to watch his fight? Nah... I've seen plenty of his fights. A warrior he is, but he is not the best ever.


Accept it.


****in ****.

 

Before Julio joined hands with that ******* Don King he was the man, but afterwards he was a dirty fighter. Punching the hips, using forearms and ellbows, besides, he stuck around too long.

 

Don King changed Chavez`s style of fighting ? :huh

You learn something new everyday :nut

 

If you read back to the first few pages (I think up till about 6 or 7 or something), you will see that I was involved in this discussion initially before it got ****, and I do give Chavez his due. I think his resume is a bit overrated by a lot of people, but I do not think his ability is overrated at all, he WAS an ATG in terms of h2h effectiveness and skills. So in that respect, we are in agreement.

However, your sentence that I have highlighted red - I couldn't disagree more. That sort of attitude is why we have people acclaiming the Calzaghes of this world as elite ATGs. For an easy example, look at Valuev's record before he fought Chagaev! Notching up many wins against a zero is NOT and never will be indicative of greatness. It is purely numerical, purely statistical. Value can only be found in looking beyond the numbers. Consistency is not something of any real value if you are consistently facing handpicked and overmatched opposition, with only the very occasional risk taken in terms of comp (in Calzaghe's case a couple of fights at the end of his career, in Valuev's case he remained consistent until he faced the acid test and was exposed).

If you think Chavez is great then fine, I think so too, but I can't go along with that reason. Saying 87-0 is purely numerical, if you look beyond that simple figure then you do indeed find that Chavez had a great career, great achievements, and beat some top quality opponents. These are the milestones of his greatness, not 87 fights the majority of which were against shocking comp.

Numbers mean nothing without a closer look! Remember Valuev!!!

:bbb

 

i have actually looked at the records of some of the cab drivers who chavez fought. there were a lot of unbeaten and highly touted prospects. why do you not know their names? because chavez kept fighting.

 

Nobody said he was the best ever. But you didn't need to come to a thread dedicated to JCC and talk ****. You can read, right? It was an appreciation thread, not a come in and hate thread.