Cotto-Clottley doing well without Countdown Show

Good comparison.

I would say 1.4M to 1.8M, that's where I expect it to go but we'll see.

That's what I'm saying too which is why I mentioned Cotto's future fights/results playing a major role with how much he will be able to draw in the long run. The guy is still young to be judged for his drawing power, these things take time and he has only been in three PPVs.

 

Pre De la hoya? Well Mayweather vs Hatton did way more then Cotto vs Mosley on ppv and this was really Hatton first ever ppv main event that matters. Mayweather vs Baldimor did 325k cause well who is Mayweather facing? If that was Cotto vs Baldimor on ppv or Mosley vs Baldimor on ppv, you think it do better on ppv buys then Mayweather vs Baldimor? Honestly.

 

Cotto - Clottey isn't a really enormous fight or anything so I'm alright without a Countdown.

 

carlos maussa fight was on ppv?

 

The fact that 380k fighting Mosley isn't something worth bragging about when Mayweather made 350k fighting Baldomir. Other facts:

Judah/Mayweather - 350k
Gatti/Mayweather - 350k

You want to tell me that 380 is FAAAAAAAR more than 350k?

I mention the Vargas/Mosley PPV numbers because you mention that Ellerbe or whoever claims that Mosley isn't a big enough draw to justify the **** poor 380k he made fighting Cotto.

What I was referring to was being a major draw, he is a decent draw but not a major one.

 

Scar, do you really check the ppv buys? Cause Mayweather vs Judah did more then 350k. Mayweather vs Gatti did around like 340k. Mayweather vs Baldimor i know clearly did 325k.

 

Yup

 

Gave it a look.

Mayweather/Baldomir - $325,000
Judah/Mayweather - $375,000
Gatti/Mayweather - $365,000

 

Mayweather-Hatton also had quadruple the promotion of Cotto-Mosley along with four party reality series dedicated to promoting the fight.

Probably not. Regardless, you'd expect Boxing's so called "cash cow" to generate big numbers with or without a strong supporting cast.

Who's bragging about it? Not me. I simply pointed out that it did more on PPV than any of Floyd's fights before he fought Oscar.

Where did I ever say that? I didn't.

Does this mean that Floyd's PPV buys pre-Oscar were less than **** poor?

No, you said he's "NOT a draw as he hasn't proven to be one yet." Now you say he's a decent one, which is a totally different story.

Yeah, low budget PPV. It wasn't produced by HBO or Showtime.

 

Of course it will, the fight was a HUGE one, a fight many people wanted to see since 2005. It was only logical they would treat it that way. Mosley/Cotto wasn't on that level before it was made so it got the treatment it was supposed to.

I don't know about "cash cow" so far you're responding to me like I'm Ellorbe or Mayweather his self. Right now with DLH out of the scene there's no doubt that he is the biggest draw right next to Pacquiao. And I'm talking about right now, not when he fought Baldomir and Gatti.

It did more but not FAR more like you claimed it to be unless 30k more is breaking news to you. You do realise how unfair that is too right?, BOTH fights got similar treatments in terms of promotion, they got countdowns and that's it. Mayweather was fighting Baldomir, a complete unknown and Cotto was fighting Mosley, do the math.

There we go.

Cotto-Mosley did around 380K, which is still more than anything Floyd did pre De La Hoya.[/quote]

Not really, it means that he was a decent draw just like Cotto is despite coming close in PPV numbers fighting Baldomir and Cotto fighting Mosley.

Again I was referring to posts that claimed he is a MAJOR draw or one that can be compared with Mayweather.

 

I wasn't even responding to you at all with the comments you quoted. Check the name.

Don't put words in my mouth. I said more, not far more. There's a difference.

So basically from this quote, you somehow took it as "380K is FAAAAAAAR more than 350k?"

You claim "Cotto is NOT a draw" then turn around and say "He's a decent draw." That's a contradiction anyway you shake it.

 

You're asking me?, ask yourself. You're the one who wanted to make a comparison by bringing it up in an attempt to make Cotto look like a serious draw.

I wonder why you're sticking to that. I don't know if you have problems with your eyes, I made it clear that my statement was based on Cotto being a MAJOR DRAW and this is the THIRD time I repeat this. Why do you keep bringing it up like I'm somehow "running" from you or trying to "lie" my way out?

 

Ask myself how you comprehend a sentence? Okay. In this case, the wrong way.

Serious draw? Please show me a post in this thread where I or anyone else for that matter says such things. I simply stated Cotto-Margarito did more PPV buys than any Mayweather or Pacquiao fight pre-De La Hoya, and Cotto-Mosley did more PPVs than any Mayweather fight pre-De La Hoya. Which are facts, because "Numbers don't lie." Somehow you seem to take more out of comments I've made than what has actually been stated.

So you're implying I shouldn't stick to something you said verbatim? You know contradicted yourself, so you try to make it seem as if your original statement has been taken out of context. However, it doesn't make any sense in this case because no one has claimed Cotto is a major draw, yet this is the basis of your argument.

 

You stated that Cotto/Mosley did more than anything Mayweather did before fighting Hatton/DLH and I told you that Mayweather nearly made the same fighting Baldomir and only 10k less fighting Judah. Now you're bringing up the Margarito/Cotto PPV buys. :roll:

It's based on my argument because you seem to be happy understand what I said the way YOU want to when I already told you three times, now four, that my comment was that Cotto is a decent draw but not major. If you want to understand it the way you want to then go ahead, I'm the one who posted that comment and I'm the one who is explaining to you what I meant if you misunderstood. You ignoring that shows ignorance so stick with it then as I could care less at this point.

 

In case you forgot, you were the first person to mention that fight and how many buys it did (and incorrectly so if I might add). Which is what prompted my initial response. :roll:

You say I'm showing ignorance? Yet you're the one with a short term memory and consistency issues. You clearly contradicted yourself and attempted to save face by attempting to put a spin on the context of your original claim.

Dah...whatever. You could care less at this point? Well, I couldn't.