Kelly Pavlik Vs Carl Froch: Arum - "Could Happen As Early As Next Jan"

no one on this board can and would ever compare froch to bhop...so its safe to say that froch will not be able to show pav 1/2 of the angles and movement that bhop did. that being said, look what pav did to jermain in their first fight...with jt's low guard it was jab jab straight right all night long and there was nothing jt could do about it. the same thing will happen to froch...it will be jab jab straight right hand and froch will not be able to move out of the way b/c his movement is very robotic and limited and his guard is arguable lower than jt's was in pav/jt I

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will this matter given froch's size and heart?? froch will have to eat flush power shots all night long from a guy who will not gas like jt did. so the only question is whether froch can walk through the storm and ko pav b/c froch will not out point pav...no way that happens

i like froch and understand he has a huge heart and is naturally bigger but i would give pav a wide UD or possible late stoppage based on the foregoing

 

The reason I commented is because I thought that his lackluster performance according to his camp was supposed to have something to do with him having a bad elbow and not being 100% well, so we were told but nobody can answer that but Pavlik himself, I think he can move upto 168lbs without a problem, I just think that he is not the best mover in the ring and to add more weight would limit that mobility even more

I see Froch catching Pavlik with a huge uppercut and then finishing him off

 

What did Hopkins tell Pavlik after the whooping?
"Your a middleweight champ, don't come to to super middleweight again, it's not your weight"
(Not exact words but you get the gist)

 

Come on ralfie...this is not a bad matchup. And i'm pretty sure Pavlik knocks Froch out.

 

LMAO @ people saying If B-hop could hurt Pavlik then Froch must be able to KO him............................... Did you ever think B-Hop might be a much more sharper, accurate puncher then Froch??? Do you really think Froch is going to have the movement that B-Hop did to hit Pavlik from all different angles??? The answer is NO. Froch is garbage, If Taylor had the least bit of stamina we wouldn't even have to be hearing about this doofus. Froch is not Hopkins, Froch is flat footed and keeps his left hand below the waist, Pavlik will hit him with the right hand all night, and if Froch gets hurt like he did in rd 3 against Taylor, be sure to see Pavlik finish him off (something Taylor cant do to his hurt opponets).

 

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Nope. A brawler is exactly what Pavlik needs to shine.

I didn't notice Pavlik being wobbled by Hopkins. Outboxed all the way but wobbled? Maybe i just don't remember. Had to watch it again.

 

What i think.

I also think Froch's power is overated. I've seen Pascal on the verge of being KOed a couple of time against c fighters...not against Froch.

 

Yet another example of how full of **** Arum is...Wasnt it just a few weeks ago that he was saying that Pavlik would fight AA in november?? Now it Froch by Jan??

I dont know why anyone believes anything that snake has to say.

 

Fight has to happen

 

Pavliks camp said he was not 100% before and obviously during the BHop fight,whether it was his elbow,stomach bug,chest infection etc i'm not sure,but Pavlik didn't turn up that night.I'd even go so far as to say he'd of had more success in the fight had he weighed 160 !! even when he did catch Hopkins,his punches had absolutely no effect.I think Kelly is able to squeeze his big frame and power into 160,this gives him a huge advantage over most other fighters at this weight,but the downside is that once he moves up in weight his adavantages are negated.Even when done properly and over time,with correct nutrition and conditioning,carrying extra weight just kills many fighters. He may have boxed well and won a deserved decision over Taylor in the second fight,but Taylor was gun shy and only opened up in fits and starts.
I like your prediction though,thats kinda how i see it,i'm sure Kelly will make Froch work,and may tag him,but eventually Froch will grind him down.Kelly will fight till he drops and go out on his shield,this is what worries me about the outcome of this fight.I'd hate to see any fighter fight to a stand still and then be Brutally KO'd.No way can Pavlik bully or dictate the pace if this fight is made at 168.:good

 

Go see Hopkins in his first years. He was a beast. He's now 44, so he has to manage his energy and adopt a defensive strategy. He has good pop.

Pavlik often gets stunned but he recovers very quickly. Getting Pavlik stunned is not the point. Finishing him is. No one has done it so far. Maybe Froch can but he has to stay on his feet himself.

 

Spot on.:good

 

Froch has the perfect lack of fundamentals to make Pavlik look like a Willie Pep/Godzilla hybred.

Froch is extremely easy to hit with left hands, and KP has one of the best left hands in the business.

Froch's low left, lack of speed, and poor foot positioning make him a sitting duck for KP's right hand.

Very simple fight for KP: jab/right-hand all night long, and Froch is to slow to do anything about it.

However, I seriously doubt if Pavlik/Froch will happen. If Froch/Bute comes off, I'm pretty sure Bute will take a clear UD. Also, I think Arum may have just thrown the name out in an effort to get Sauerland/Abraham to be reasonable about money. Something they haven't done so far.

 

The fight was not at SMW. Hopkins was weighting 170. Only 2 pounds but on fightnight, what was Hopkins weight? He was something like 10 pounds heavier than Pavlik. Froch is not a big SMW. Some try to convince us that he's strong and heavy. Of course, against Taylor, he seems heavy and strong. But he's not so big. That would be better for Pavlik to face Froch than a fight against Kessler who is really a very big SMW.

 

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No. They were desperately difficult fights for Pavlik. I cant see why you'd think they were easy.