If Marquez can hold up the weight well then floyd is in for a long night

Could it have been by design for JMM to come out seeking to be more aggressive and putting out punches with more mustard on them than he would normally be accustomed???
Remember now, Marquez knocked out two fighters at 135 lbs who had fought much bigger punchers than JMM, but had never been stopped by any of them.....


Maybe by design?.......


Do you believe there would be a JMM-Mayweather fight on PPV had JMM gone a safety first route, got hit less, and gone on to skillfully but lacklusterly win UD's against both Casa and Diaz???


By design???


Its not so simple as simply pointing out, he's getting hit more.......yeah he's getting hit more, but he's also dishing out more punishment.....a fighter that dishes out punishment leaves himself more susceptible to get hit.
After both his fights with Casa and Diaz, I liked what Marquez said afterward, "yes we attacked more, but we did so calculating and intelligently."...........which means that he had already established to himself what would come his way and the risk factors involved.

Thats the beauty about watching JMM.....he tweaks his game according to the circumstance......obviously he felt he could take the shots of both Casamayor and Diaz.....had he felt those guys could put him in serious trouble with a shot, I'm sure you would have seen Marquez box and move more and work more off the jab......

We'll see against Mayweather....if once Marquez has felt Mayweather strenghth and power and he feels he can take his shot.....thats when he will adjust his game accordingly......how much will he box and how much of a risk he will take in opening up his shots for power.

I feel that JMM is much better at guaging his own strenghths and weaknesses better than Mayweather is gauging his......
.....it can certainly turn into a battle of wits with both fighters trying to guage certain aspects of the others and even their own game......if this happens, I'm liking JMM's chances to pull off the upset.

 

^ all i can say is that i hope jmm wins.

a win over casa who was obviously no longer his prime does not necessarily mean he's a can handle 135's but I'll give credit for his win over Diaz.

I hope JMM defies logic and have the luxury of getting the first beating of pbf!

 

I definitely think that in Marquez last few fights he wanted to be more aggressive and market himself to the masses.

But no way in hell do i think he wanted to take that kind of punishment. i was very impressed that Marquez stood up to all those punches and battled back. Not impressed that they were landing bombs on Marquez. But impressed with his heart and warrior mentality that he showed when he got in deep water. Marquez is a great fighter and won't lay down.

 

I dont agree that any of those fighter were landing bombs on JMM......

......did he get hit a few times?..... sure........

......did he adjust and limit the clean connects when both Casa and Diaz may have been establishing a rhythm? Absolutely......you could literally see after the 3rd round that Diaz was having a hard time landing the hook clean that was getting in earlier, but even then, they were not the bombs you want to make it out to be now.


The most important element imo for JMM vs Mayweather is whether at 144 lbs, Marquez can fight 3 minutes of every round and have the reserve energy to step up in the late rounds as he's always had.......I already know Mayweather refuses to put those 3 minute efforts.....
......the Marquez gameplan I'm just about certain will be to force Mayweather to put forth a full effort and see if Mayweather can hang 3 minutes of every round.

To me, the fight will rest on stamina....JMM has proven he's second to none P4P in his conditioning.......

...... if Mayweather can fight 3 minutes for 12 rounds, being the younger bigger fighter, he should win......if he cant, mark these words, they're mine, JMM will shock the world!!!

 

He wasn't so to say in danger of being knocked out. But there was a danger of being dropped, and like you stated this was definitely the first few rounds.

His superiority helped him regroup and figure out what fight he needed to be in.

I do agree their stamina will be a major factor and Marquez has never struggled to make it to the 12th. But what I am saying is Floyd is the most accurate puncher working, and bigger than anyone he has faced. How will Marquez do when he gets hit like that?

 

Mayweather likes to spend alot of lull time on the ropes, I just dont thing that is going to happen in this matchup......Marquez is too versatile and so accurate in his shot making.......Mayweather has never faced a shot maker the caliber of JMM.....so my opinion is that Mayweather is going to be forced to have to exhert effort in instances he'd rather be resting on the ropes.


For those of you that are old enough........an old Larry Holmes employed a similar tactic that Mayweather likes to use on the ropes to beat a young Ray Mercer.
Evander Holyfield who's a much smarter fighter then fought Larry Holmes.....the mistake that most fighters make when a fighter like Mayweather employs a rope a dope type defense on the ropes it to try and knock his head off by going full blast on him.....
......Holyfield unlike Mercer used pitter patter while Holmes rested on the ropes, and chose his spots to attack there with power.
Mercer wore himself out hitting Holmes in the arms elbows and shoulders......while Holyfield who was more calculating did'nt........

Holyfield would do his work on the inside and then step back so as to not have Holmes get set to time a counter.....Holyfield was keeping Holmes guessing as to when he would get in and out.....but all along Holyfield was staying busy and making Holmes expend energy by defending.......

I expect a similar type of a fight by Marquez.....not an all out assault to attack, but a controlled and stay busy type of an offense that will make Mayweather have to stay busy in return......

The key imo is for Marquez to force Mayweather to be busy........if he does that, there is good chance, Mayweather wont hang with the pace and Marquez takes the late rounds........easier said than done of course, a few things have to go Marquez way......but its very doable imo!



Btw, a good thing to ask yourself is what will Mayweather do in one of his few occasions where he actually slows his movements and plants his feet for power........how will Mayweather respond when he's consistently getting countered with clean shots for his efforts?????
Will Mayweather dig, or will he shy away from throwing power shots????


This is'nt an ABC type of fight to analyze.....they're both too skillful to say with any certaintly that a certain way of fighting will work against either one of them.......both are very capable of taking the play away from the other when something is being established by either.......

......and btw, I'm hearing alot of this talk that JMM is going to get blown out of the water.......be careful what you say, because Mayweather bends down when he's on those ropes playing defense......as we know JMM is the best, not one of the best but "the best" at throwing the uppercut.......
......watchout, dont underestimate JMM's power because one of those uppercuts can spell the beggiining of the end if JMM connects with a clean one while Mayweather bends.......

My friends, if JMM connects with one of those wicked uppercuts and hurts Mayweather, make no mistake, JMM can finish!

 

That's a very good observation. I agree with most of what you say. However my feelings of lately have been the rope a dope conservative style would hurt him more against Pac.

Marquez power must not be underestimated. It could really swing the tide if it is taken for granted. And he has always shown the amazing ability to adapt and overcome,but so has Floyd.

Very good fight .Great big man vs a great smaller man. The size difference while not huge. One man is use to fighting bigger while one man has been fighting smaller. It could have a negative effect though as Floyd hasn't dealt with much speed lately.

 

My feeling on the highlighted is that the rope a dope would work better against Pac, seeing as its pretty much a given that Pac could'nt win at center ring.....

When Mayweather wants to pile up points, he takes it to center ring.....when he wants to rest, he goes for a lull period on the ropes.....
.....Pac is the type that wants to get right back at you after gettting smacked with clean shots, so I would think that would play right into Mayweather's hands the way he plays defense on the ropes......the harder Pac attacks there, the more the likelyhood he spends himself, alah Foreman/Ali, and as I posted earlier, Mercer/Holmes.
A more technical and cerebral fighter is less likely to fall into that trap.

The thing that works against Pac imo is that he wont be able to have sucess against Mayweather at center ring......JMM imo has a better chance at some sucess there vs Mayweather as he's the busier puncher in combination punching.

From my view against Pacquiao, Mayweather would go to the ropes once he's done enough to win the round ring center.
I dont feel Pacquiao will hold his composure and refrain from an all out attack on Mayweather on the ropes, once Mayweather has mastered him at ring center.....and that will play right to Mayweather's hands and the rope a dope.

 

I feel pretty much like Pac won't fight that way. Roach has shown to be a strategist. Which has helped Pac tremendously. He has even help Oscar against Floyd.

However Pac will utilize his skills and athleticism. Speed, power, mobility, and endurance. A center of the ring fight I expect will be more than you and Floyd expect.

Pac's foot speed is better at this point so is his ability to throw fast combos and now get outta dodge. Floyd has a better defense and the most precise punching around.

Pac will not stand there! He will get in and out and sometimes get caught in return but he will not fire too many unnecesary shots.

If Floyd hits the ropes Pac will combo body back to head then get out and make Floyd engage. Floyd hasn't seen the kind of speed and mobility Pac will try and use.

 

I'm not seeing what you describe as I dont believe Pac has better footspeed than Mayweather.

The one thing I do see that can benefit Pacquiao is that Mayweather seldom nowdays throws in combination......mostly just in one's and two's ......the combination punching by JMM is what kept Pacquiao out of sorts for great portions of their fights......so its certainly possible that Pacquiao could just outwork Mayweather......

That JMM-Mayweather fight will give us alot of answers as to what Mayweather can still do against a top tier fighter still fighting at a high level, and if sucessful, what his possibilities are against Pac based on what he does vs JMM.

 

Yep, we will eagerly anticipate the next fight, then we can tell a little better. Marquez has a decent chance. Win or lose we will see how Floyd deals with a smaller man.

May the best man win!

 

The ref is there to protect Void. If Marquez does start winning the ref will help Mayweather out, perhaps he will take a point away from Marquez for hitting the rope like he did Hatton? The judge have already filled out their cards, so all Void has to do is stay on his feet. Void has nothing to worry about. Marquez has not chance at all, it appears it's all ready been decided. Void would not have taken this fight if Marquez had any chance at all to win. He has zero chance. It's bad enought fighting an opponent, but if you have to fight the opponent, ref and judges, it's almost impossible. I still remember the Castillo fight.

 

Hardly any of us gave pac a chance against DeLahoya.

Ahh yes Floyd has partied hard over the course of the last OVER 2 years.

UD - JMM

 

I pretty much agree with this sentiment,my only concern would be if Mayweather catches him with a nice combination that can possibly knock him down,after Jmm presses him.. When Hatton went at Floyd we saw the best of Floyd,him being able to defend himself from the barrage and throwing back...