Seriously, how can you not like pac?

do you think he's a pinoy too?

 

Jeez, Pac fanatics are a joke. This is obscene. You can't even root for Pac if they don't like it; analysing his wins and loses objectively.

 

I don't know but a ******* nonetheless.

 

It's okay SG, you can cry on my shoulder. :yep

 

so hatton now is better at 147 than at 140 where pac fought him? seriously this glass jaw thing is annoying. if this was always true, pac won't even have the beard to last against those hard punching mexican all-time greats because his chin was cracked already when he was just a teen.

 

will you now admit that you're not a pac fan?

 

****ing hater. Pac 4 life nigggggggga

 

STFU noob!

 

:vonnecunt

 

i agree how can you not like manny? he is a great guy,big family man, cares about his country, and loves the sport and loves to perform in the ring....HOWEVER,

the way some of his fans act in vegas after he beat oscar and hatton, was just disgusting, they acted like it was them that KO"D hatton, and stopped oscar, while the oscar and hatton fans seemed humble.....i wish manny's fans were like him, not saying all pacman fans are bad, but a good portion of them are idiots.

 

Pac is everything one would want in a fighter, and by the looks of it... you wont find a nicer person.

 

If we had a Pac in every division Boxing would be the most popular sport in the world.

 

you have them in every fighter. and those guys you saw must have been just pumped-up after a short but explosive fight. adrenaline flowing that might made you think they are all that cocky and ****.

 

Hmm... maybe the thread starter should have just said "go ahead, debate Pac's resume."

I do think he's hard not to like given exactly the the TS said; hell, he even left out the fact that he's been making historic-quality weight jumps. I do think some holes can be poked in his resume but as everyone on this board knows (or should), holes can be poked in ANYONE's resume. On the whole, the dude has fought a lot of quality opponents and done so across a REALLY impressive expanse of weight.

My 2 cents:

Hatton: even if you consider him "never that good" (which would be too bad for boxing to have a guy not that good rule a division for a number of years), he was the consensus #1 at 140. WTF was Pac going to do, not fight him? Talk about a resume hole. It was the most challenging fight available at the time at a new weight.

DLH: a great "on paper" achievement that wasn't as great an "in ring" achievement as it should have been. It pulled Pac away from doing quality work at 135, but given DLH's good showing against Floyd, it was not a foregone conclusion that he'd be that far past it. The performance doesn't get high marks, really, but criticizing the choice to take the fight is off base - a career payday against what could have been (but turned out not to be) a dangerous opponent at a much higher weight? Every fighter in that position would have done the same thing OR would have balked at the weight jump. Any "Pac beat Oscar easier than Floyd" talk, though, is pure bull**** and irrelevent to any discussion.

135: Basically bypassed due to Oscar/Hatton opportunity. I don't think he "ducked" anybody, just had better offers. Again, any fighter would have done the exact same thing.

JMM: Another JMM fight could/should have been done. There was unfinished business there and the choice to do Diaz at 135 has a bit of an excuse to move on scent to it. I don't know details on negotiation discussions so can't comment there, but this is something of a hole to me. Good managerial decision (great, as it turns out), but left questions unanswered.

Old Morales/Old Barerra: contractually obligated to Morales #3 and Morales #2 HAD to happen; yeah, he lost the tune-up, but Pac had to fight him at that point to avenge the loss. Not having Raheem on the resume is not a big deal - guy has never won a title. Still, would have been nice to take him as the move to 135, but without a title, the incentive isn't there. The 2nd Barerra fight was not necessary and was basically a cash-grab (and he would not be accused of ducking if he didn't make it); this could have been a more meaningful fight. Still, most fighters would have done the same thing ($$).