Leonard v Hagler at 160 in the early-mid 80s - please vote and comment

There's some serious hate for Leonard in this thread!!!

Haglers problem when fighting Leonard was much to do with his mentality...he wanted to win soooo much that he wasn't quite himself in the fight!!! People talk about how faded he was, and this is of course true, but I honestly think he struggles with Ray at any point because of his apparent disdain for him!!! It would always have been a close fight for me.

What I find a little frustrating about this debate is how much Haglers decline is brought up...when it was Ray who had only fought once in 5 years (and had looked awful at that)!!!

 

After reading the above, Rooster will be saying to himself "thats true, but I need to find a way to turn things around and make it unreal and biased to favour my man Hagler".

 

It was a pretty close fight buddy i scored it a draw, but we all know the prime Hagler would have iced him.

 

There's some serious hate for Leonard in the majority of threads that bring him up. Duran is the purists favorite, and anybody who is on the Classic forum is a purist.

It's a damn shame there is so much controversy over the Hagler vs Leonard fight. We're missing the point. Ray had no business going the distance, even with that version of Hagler. This wasn't pristine Leonard, the evidence is there that shows he was inactive, rusty, and it's also factual that he was operating above his best weight. Ray fought he would beat Hagler, but nobody else did.

 

You make an interesting point and it a condition that a rival website i used to be on suffered with. There are some fighters that it has become unreasonable to have any criticism of (Duran, Pea)...and that it has equally become fasionable to discredit (Leonard being the prime example).

Every fighter in history has their fallabilities...and I think you have to try and recognise these and detatch yourself from who you personally "dislike" when evaluating a fighter or a hypothetical match-up.

 

:good That's the bottom line.

 

You two. Selfkill and GDG sure sound similar to one another. you both make sure to start out with your favorite opener "There's some serious hate for leonard"

How about that? Word for word! I might just take you both for the same poster under different names. IS there any truth to that?

Maybe one identity feels he cant put forth a forth a strong enough argument, that he isnt persuasive enough so he brings in his other identity for backup. only thing is you used the same opener word for word. you blew it buddy!

 

You have no credibility. Shush. :good

 

Anyone that has done that or would consider doing that on a boxing website, should just end it all!!!

 

What's that? you say you want to discuss this with me?

give it up. you already showed you dont have the heart when you passed up the article. I even gave you the link knowing you arent going anywhere near it. In fact you replied to everyone but me.

just like I said you going to pass up making comments on the article. just go talk to your make believe friend and pretend the rest of the world is hating ray leonard and wont give him his due

 

Isn't it a shame for you that selfkill was actually answering to and addressing that particular phrase at the start of his post.

You silly chook

 

I've had the same charges thrown at me, GDG.

You really believe it's just pure hate? Anyways I think its foolish to get too serious about these p4p rankings but to see someone talk about ray leonard being in the top 3-5 ever is ludicrous

 

hey John i see you been working on your tan!

 

You too, by the looks :good

 

Rooster. You're some case. One of the finest fruitcakes around these shores. Your opinions and arguements are as a weak as a 70 year old's erection.