Why is Pacquiao so popular in the US and the Klit brothers aren't?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Agossoumichael, Jun 11, 2009.


  1. skier47

    skier47 Guest

    Am I a Klitschko fan? Yeah, I think that is fairly obvious from my various posts extolling their pugilistic talents and rare athletic talent for such huge men; not just tall but very large and powerful. Wlad went through a terrible period where he was being knocked down by lessor but very hard punching fighters. He takes on the then young turk of the division, iron-chinned powerpuncher Sam Peter and won a terrific back and forth battle that was the definition of excitement. Most observers at the time favored Peter and faulted Wlad for choosing such a dangerous opponent. Wlad came, he saw, he conquered and the rest is history; total domination of the heavyweight division for YEARS now. I totally disagree with your contention that technical boxing skills have no relevance to boxing excitement. I marvelled at the Sugar Ray Leonard, Wilfredo Benitez and Leonard-Duran fight not just to see their terrific charisma and explosiveness but also their phenomenal technical boxing skills. Watch the early rounds especially in Leonard, Duran 1. They feighted and parried for large parts of several rounds, never landing a single meaningful blow and the crowds went crazy. Technical skills displayed at the highest level of the sport always engenders awe and respect if the viewer has even the most rudimentary knowledge of the sweet science.
     
  2. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I give Wlad the utmost credit for overcoming devastating losses to Sanders and Brewster. Lesser men would have folded after such losses, but Wlad reinvented himself and deserves credit and respect for this.

    However, this is a moot issue when, again, we are talking about why Pacquiao is more popular.

    Here's the mistake you're making--Sugar Ray Leonard and Roberto Duran were technically sound, no doubt about that, but they were also more exciting than either Klitschko has ever been.

    The most exciting fight either Klitschko ever had was undoubtedly Vitali's bout with Lewis. That one had some give and take in it.

    Wlad's fight with Peter was not especially exciting. Wlad dominated every round he wasn't knocked down in. It wasn't a terrible fight to watch (for a casual fan), but hardly something anyone would consider a classic.

    On the other hand, Duran-Leonard was one of the most celebrated fights ever, and was far more exciting than anything either Klitschko has been involved in.

    I think the fact that you are an admitted fan of the Klits is clouding your judgment.

    I like watching Wlad, Vitali, and Pacquiao fight, and am not a huge fan of any of them, and in my unbiased view, I'm utterly shocked that anyone would ever dare place a Klitschko brother on the same plateau as MANNY PACQUIAO when it comes to generating excitment.

    :smoke
     
  3. kadyo

    kadyo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Off topic bro, did you explain to them the nuances of negotiations, purses and ppv profit sharing and all and why this fight might not happen? Also I wonder if they are amuse by pac's choppy english.
     
  4. Rumsfeld

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    That this is already generating so much buzz, I am convinced that this fight NOT happening borders on the impossible.

    It WILL happen. Too much money for an adequate compromise not to be reached, and both parties know it.

    Personally, I'd prefer seeing Pac-Mosley or Mayweather-Mosley (as I am a Mosley fan), but unfortunately, Shane is gonna be stuck on the outside looking in, at least, IMO, in the immediate future.

    I am almost certain Pac-Mayweather should happen later this year.

    As for Pac's choppy English, I'm not sure, but I do think people were fascinated by his calm "I just did my job" demeanor after he bludgeoned Hatton.

    :good
     
  5. kadyo

    kadyo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes that's his most exciting bout until the ref messed things up. You think vitali could have won that one despite the ugly cut?
     
  6. skier47

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    Well we can certainly agree on that. I am a big fan of both Klits. They both came back from terrible adversity, especially Vitali to become the first brothers in history to attain and retain heavyweight titles. A stunning and unprecedented achievement. Also I tend to get more excited by the big men, the marquee division; the heavyweights because of their superior stature, strength and raw punching power. I freely admit though that if I had to choose to view the Pac-Mayweather fight or Wlad-Haye I would probably go with the former as I suspect Wlad would dominate Haye technically whereas Pac-Mayweather could well be Leonard-Duran 1 revisited. In short, one of the greatest fights of all-time.
     
  7. kadyo

    kadyo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yeah right "nothing personal just doing my job".

    Yes they maybe just playing some mental games and know that they are made for each other lol. They will be throwing a lot of $$$$ to the bin if ever thay don't fight. This is also the greatest fight possible now,I mean the former p4p king versus the present p4p king. I don't think something like that has ever happened before.
     
  8. kadyo

    kadyo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I admire the klitchko brothers for what they have achieved and I also wish that wlad-haye happened. Haye have been stalking the klitcho's for years and when the fight was about to happen, a back got in the way. tsk tsk tsk.
     
  9. stefanoitch

    stefanoitch Well-Known Member Full Member

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    because pacquiao is exiting to watch, unlike klitschko
     
  10. Brit Sillynanny

    Brit Sillynanny Cold Hard Truth Full Member

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    I'm sickny? WTF? 1939? What the **** ya talking about?

    How would 1939 make any difference to me? My mother was almost born while my father was by 1940 killing Italians (in the rare moments they chose not to surrender) in North Africa and then as a commando dropped behind the lines at Caen, France in 1944 where he was snuffing Germans.

    You got some master plan going on?

    lol:lol:


    get help, dude


    Americans do not dislike the Klitschkos because of their nationality, ethnicity, race or skin color (this country is 68% "white" - Non-Hispanic Whites are 68% using US Census Bureau date for 2008)). In fact, it would put or raise a talented "white" athlete on a pedestal merely due to the country's demographical majority. Being "white" and of European ancestry is not a detriment or impediment to success.

    The Klitschkos are not generating interest, excitement, or popularity because most people can recognize "greatness" when they see it and they just don't see it in the Klit Bros.

    The talented US big men have not been taking up professional boxing for the reasons I've stated. As such, the Klits are merely the best in a sport that has lost its best members. Success in such an environment convinces no one.

    I can't tell ya how many college (and now pro) athletes I've had beers with (at various ad hoc university get togethers) that dismiss them as mediocre to average talents. They are "OK". They are not dominant killers facing down equal sized, superbly conditioned, and optimally talented opponents. We watch great big men participate in sports all the time. It is fairly evident that the Klitschkos are very fortunate to be in their position, in this rarest of periods, when other greater big men were walking the planet for all to see but unavailable for competition (as boxers). It must surely be similar to when the able bodied men were drafted into the services while the 4-Fs were left at home to compete in sports, and other areas of physical endeavor.
     
  11. vorapsak2002

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    :good
     
  12. Kaki

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    Pacquiao got beat by Marquez? Your point being? Marquez himself is 20x the boxer that Wlad or Vitali is.

    it's like what philla said. Pacquiao is much more popular because he's the one of the best fighters in the world.

    i can't believe H. even compared Wlad to Mayweather. Both have boring fights, but the latter is probably one of the most well-schooled, defensively sound, and aesthetic fighters of this era. He's a slick boxer and that alone is impressive. Wlad is rather stiff. And his opponents are the worst of all boxing.
     
  13. JohnAkiBoa

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    Good Post, I love you Polish ppl!;):yep

    When Pac is in the Ring there is in the air like electricity!:good
     
  14. stiga

    stiga Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Marquez loss to pacman period....he loss but not decisive...3rd fight needed...
     
  15. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Because Pac fits the template of what a great fighter in a lower division should be..and his style is entertaining and spectacular, resulting most of the time in a knockout, with greater dynamics involved such as speed and power, the perfect ratio btw, whereas the Klitschko brothers, being heavyweights, are supposed to meet the same standards basically, but as in the case of Wlad, he has committed the sin of being an abberation amongst heavyweight champions. and that is that he HAS the power, but chooses instead to opt for being an overly cautious fighter who seems to realize that his Achilles heel..his chin, could be exploited if he commits himself to going for the big ko, ala the Corrie Sanders nightmare, which deep down, musy still haunt him. He could also be anxious to pace himself, so as not to get all gassed out as he had done against Lamon Brewster..but overall, Wlad's conservative, cautious style is probably to blame. Vitali, on the other hand, I feel has higher esteem among the fans, as when he held the title briefly, he seemed to not have his brother's vulnerability, chinwise as a worry. I think there's something else as well..both brothers are too intelligent, articulate and both play chess..these are things that run contrary to a trash talking bufoon that so many people seem to prefer as a champion's image, so the bros lose out there, as well as the fact that the heavyweight champion of the world ..CAN'T BE FROM ANYWHERE EXCEPT THE U.S. You know..it's written down somewhere that the champ can't be from anywhere else (obvious sarcasm).