I think you could turn up a pretty reasonable card for Clottey to be fair, but yeah, there is the usual agenda bull****.
good to hear. Im intrested what did you guys think of Calderon. He didnt look his best last night i thought he just edged it though but knew it was going to be a draw when they stopped the fight. Calderon looked scrappy and when he got the cut he got very wary. Maybe his opponent had a part to play as he looked stylistically all wrong for Ironboy
I can't see how you can give Cotto any **** for last night. Must have been ahead after the 4th and probably could have taken the technical decision due to the cut like Calderon did but he fought on and got a close decision on my card. In the latter rounds rounds the Doctor was giving Cotto every chance to pull out ("Is it affecting you in any way?") but he fought on. There was the grand total of 1 low blow, 1 rabbit punch (when Clottey had turned his head) and 1 throw all of which resulted in Clottey blatently playacting and looking for a point deduction from the ref and yet if you listen to some people over on the GF Cotto is a cheat and a dirty fighter.
yeh Joe Chavez was new but he is a great cutsman and showed why he is regarded highly. I thought Calderons was worse his was very very deep and ran into his eye when he first got the cut but once it was patched up abit it diodnt go in the eye as much. But it looked a bad cut anyway. I did admire Cotto going on through that cut it was a bad one but it wasnt as bad as it looked though as the corner did a great job
I felt from the opening bell he was in a bit of trouble. He was really out-ranged against an aggressive opponenet bringing pressure. He was not confortable. I was very keen to see if he still had 12 rounds in his legs at that type of pace. But - I thought he was turning it around. He landed some beautiful body punches as Mayol was moving in, plus he was starting to find his range off the mobility - which is key. But like I say it would have been interesting to see. I honestly believe he was keen to get out of there. I think he was relieved to be splitting.
watch the last 30-60 seconds of round 4 closely...also watch clottey as he walks back to his corner at the bell.
Thats true but I never scream "Robbery!!!" when I have a 1 or 2 point split on my card, and to me thats the type of fight we are talking here.
Very true. You saw Calderon's response when asked a similair question. The Cadleron fight was dirtier! Some of the hysteria in General about Cotto's - mad Paulfv started a thread entitled "i have lost all respect for Cotto" detailing the horrific "deliberate" punch to the back of the head, low blow and "bodyslam" - "dirty tactics" made for tough reading. As the man once said, you're not in there to dance.
You cant give Cotto any **** he won fair and square. Clottey deserves all the **** looking for a point off was a bit dickish. I did think the slam was bad from Cotto but it didnt affect the fight. and might have been accidental.
Clottey threw it away! if hed sustained his attacks he would have knocked cotto out Im sure of it he had the power and Cotto didnt want it. WTF was Clottey doing in the sixth?? I know Cotto tagged him but he went to sleep behind his guard the whole round. I thought Clottey was acting disgracefully and trying to get a point off Cotto in the twelfth round and as for lying on the ground screaming .........I though he was trying for a DQ! Clottey must be the most angry with himself this morning. All that fight proved to me is that is not the same Cotto who traded with Mosley, who beat up Judah and dined on and punished the out of his depth Gomez. He looks 'wary' of whats coming, cagey; and how slow was he compared to the lightning storm that came out against Margarito!! The commentating was rubbish. (I bet Pacquiao fancies the Cotto fight even more now........)
trotter.. go to 6.20 here...i think this is where clottey hurt his left...and watch as he goes back to the corner...he looks like he's telling his corner that he's hurt it. to me it was an explaination for the 6th round. maybe i'm wrong though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF4EAX0aHU0
he was bad to start with but was starting to turn it. Hes quite old for a Flyweight so maybe he will have the rematch then retire. He was keen to get out of there but can you blame him it was a bad bad cut. who did you have winning? there was no robbery i thought a SD was perfect i had it 1 to Cotto The Clotto fight wasnt dirty but it was a tough physical fight
Cotto has gone up a lot in my book after last night. I'm still not convinced he handles pressure well esp. when he'd on the ropes (he still does that direction feint which ends up leaving him bang in front of his opponent and square on) but he showed a real heart last night.
Calderon could definitely have continued. I wouldn't go as far to say he 'bitched out' but when you consider he was told by the HBO TV execs that 'a good performance here can push you on to bigger things' he hardly looked to put on a show did he? Personally I think Clottey was engaging in histrionics when he was down from the 'throw'. No need for a rematch here, Cotto has limited time left, won fair and square and needs a bigger fight.
i really highly rated Calderon but after last night he is definitly slipping maybe time to call it aday