If James Toney was fully dedicated

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  1. DDA365

    DDA365 Gatecrasher Full Member

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    if he had some bernard hopkins style commitment and a good strategy for keeping fit at the weight

    how far do you think he could have gone at heavyweight?

    I think he may have been able to go all the way, the klitschkos would obviously be tough but I think he'd have been able to beat everybody else.
     
  2. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    the toney that beat holyfield would beat wlad.
     
  3. Shattered Glass

    Shattered Glass Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Toney is awesome. Just awesome. He is a fat slob now but he is a joy to watch for someone who really loves the sweet science.

    It is a true testament to his ability to be able to go from Middleweight and compete effectively against Peter, Ruiz, Holyfield etc. Not to mention that awesome Jirov war.
     
  4. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think there is a good change that he would have go all the way.
     
  5. kolcade4

    kolcade4 Keep Punchin' Full Member

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    toney was the man.
     
  6. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    If Toney was fully dedicated he wouldnt be fighting at heavyweight.
     
  7. kolcade4

    kolcade4 Keep Punchin' Full Member

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    now thats funny i dont care who you are.
     
  8. Serenata

    Serenata Fit und geimpft Full Member

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    Right, without all his fat he would be (would have been) a brilliant SMW-LHW
     
  9. DDA365

    DDA365 Gatecrasher Full Member

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    Yeah, its weird how much credit others have got for jumping weightclasses, hes gone all the way from middle to heavy but doesnt seem to get that much.

    Completely seriously, maybe its because hes fat? People dont want to give credit to a fat guy for being a great fighter, theyd rather laugh at him.



    Changing the topic slightly...IF toney had got the deserved win against Peter in the first fight, then beat wlad....what would that do for his ATG ranking?

    Itd be ****ing impressive, and when you think how much credit jones got for beating ruiz (which I think is deserved anyway) imagine a middleweight actually becoming THE man at heavyweight
     
  10. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    been 6 months sinces hes fought and has no fight on the horizon...thats dedication
     
  11. Govanmauler

    Govanmauler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The thing is though he hasnt been great at the higher weights

    Take out Jirov , who's constant attacking had a lot to do with that fights brilliance and Holyfield who was already by then shot to ****ing pieces and whats left ?

    Toney will always be a spectacularly talented fighter , who couldnt keep on top his weight and cost him his true place.
     
  12. Shattered Glass

    Shattered Glass Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Toney moved up from 160 to take on fighters who were almost 240 pounds. Also, anyone can see the guy is a MASTER boxer. An absolute defensive MASTER.
     
  13. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He'd look more like this:

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    Toney is one of my favorite fighters of all time. He still has the desire to fight, but he has to still want to train and control his eating to be able to do so at any reasonable level.
     
  14. thesham01

    thesham01 Undisputed Champion Full Member

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    Toney is one of the most gifted fighters of the past 25 years!

    such a waste....

    then again, he is the one with the talent...he can use it how he pleases.
     
  15. SteveO

    SteveO MSW Full Member

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    I heard talk that he was supposed to fight in May, but that came and went.

    He is one of my favorite fighters, but he shows no sign of commitment at this point and age is too much of a factor, I feel.

    Prove me wrong, James.