COTTO vs. PACQUIAO deal by the end of the week - Who wins at 144?

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  1. they_killed_kenny

    they_killed_kenny Underdogs on top :) Full Member

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    No no no, 144 is all bad for Cotto, Pac is way to fast and due to the recent history of Cotto getting cut , Pac will mess that face up by the end of the 1st.

    Bast chance that Cotto has will be at 147, his punch resistance will be better at that weight, he needs to improve his defence tho and worked the body early and often, if he can do that he will beat Pac, but at 144 Pac tkos him no doubt in my mind
     
  2. Solid Chin

    Solid Chin Concrete Wars Full Member

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    Just for the record if Cotto is at any catchweight below 147 forget it its a zombie against an elite fighter.

    This fight should be at 147 and not at a catchweight.

    Catchweight for this fight is ridiculous as Cotto is outgrowing 147 ever so quickly and I think he is even struggling to make that let alone a ****ing catchweight.

    Why would anyone pay money to see a 100% Pacquiao against a 20% Cotto at a catchweight, what is the sense in this fight at a catchweight where one man is drained and the other 100% ?

    Can someone please tell me....
     
  3. prov

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    Mannys team knows this and is why it will not happen at 147....Pac is in the driver seat in these negotiations....Cotto will have to agree if he wants the megafight!
     
  4. they_killed_kenny

    they_killed_kenny Underdogs on top :) Full Member

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    Exactly :good,

    Its roach whos asking for the catchweight, and knowing Cotto, he will accept the challenge, If pac wants to fight Cotto HE should move up, Ive never heard of a challenge demanding. But Roach is a smart mofo, he reel DLH in and not he will get Cotto too
     
  5. Cocteau

    Cocteau Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Beyond 144, it's Cotto. 144 and below it's a close SD for Pacquiao.
     
  6. they_killed_kenny

    they_killed_kenny Underdogs on top :) Full Member

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    No hes not, it looks to me that its Pac who wants the fight, Cotto dont have to do ****,
     
  7. Chert

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    cotto weighed in @146 for the clottey fight. just another 2 lbs and we have a fight. it's not like cotto struggled to make 146 for that fight. he made it in the first try.

    11-12 lbs is too much to give away during the fight. so, it is but fair for this fight to happen at a catchweight so as to somewhat compensate for the very large size/weight difference. cotto already has the luxury of size. he shouldn't also get the luxury of fighting at his natural weight. that will be already too much of an advantage for him.

    actually, both of them won't get credit depending on where this fight happens. @147, cotto will be accused of fighting a much smaller man. @144-143, pac will also be accused of fighting a possibly weight-drained fighter. that's why maybe this fight shouldn't happen at all and pac should wait for the winner of pbf/jmm instead. pac could in the meantime just take a tune-up and fight a 140-lber.
     
  8. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Do you think he weigh in 146 pounds on purpose? He weigh in 139 pounds a pound below 140 when he fought Paulie. <<<<<The same weight class he was killing himself to make weight. Losing 2 more pounds might not be a big deal with you but it will be for Cotto cause it will effect his body. Coto has fought at 147 pounds 8 freaking times in which he's a full fledge ww. He hasn't fought way below 147 pounds in over 3 years.
     
  9. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Do you think he weigh in 146 pounds on purpose? He weigh in 139 pounds a pound below 140 when he fought Paulie. <<<<<The same weight class he was killing himself to make weight. Losing 2 more pounds might not be a big deal with you but it will be for Cotto cause it will effect his body. Coto has fought at 147 pounds 8 freaking times in which he's a full fledge ww. He hasn't fought way below 147 pounds in over 3 years. This catch weight is bs.
     
  10. Chert

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    kindly answer the rest of my post too. thanks.
     
  11. Solid Chin

    Solid Chin Concrete Wars Full Member

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    One thing though,

    If Cotto does agree to a catchweight of 144lbs do you think that Cotto will get any credit if he beats Pacquiao or will people say he is still fighting a smaller man because I can hear the excuses already.

    And also on the flip side if Pac wins at a catchweight people will just say that Cotto was weight drained so really this fight makes no sense and this is why I insist that Pacquiao fight guys in his own division but Fat Arum wants to make money and is willing to pitch his fighters against each other to keep all the revenue in house.
     
  12. Solid Chin

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    Dude, Pacquiao should be fighting Holt, Bradley, Campbell, Ortiz, Funeka, all those guys and forget about these bull**** catchweight fights because when you started to talk about this weight advantage and giving away weight does any of the heavyweights complain about Klitschko's size???

    No they dont so quit bitching about the 11 or 12lbs weight difference, if pacquiao is as good as people on ESB think he is then what is weight when you got the skills to do the job.

    In the eyes of many a fight at 147 is pretty fair to me considering most people seem to think that Cotto is on some kind of decline which I fail to agree with. I disagree, infact I think his cut hindered his performance against Clottey and he performed ok to me, people are making too much of his performance and with all things considered he still managed to win.

    As I keep telling you and every one else Pac should concentrate on the division he is in and leave the big boys to it.
     
  13. Solid Chin

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    I agree, catchweights is BULL****.
    Who the **** wants to see a 20% Cotto against a 100% Pacquiao.

    Its total BULL****
    If all these posters have never had to make weight before then they have no idea of what they are talking about and when I hear people saying what is 1 or 2lbs those people dont even know what they are talking about because they've never had to make weight. Trust me 1 or 2lbs affects you greatly when you are already struggling to make the initial weight limit of 147 or whatever weight division you happen to be in. 75% of people on here have never laced up gloves in their lives yet they want to carry on as if making weight is so easy, it's not as simple as that.

    At least I can identify with that feeling of having to make weight, it's not as simple as people just seem to assume it is.

    Weight making issues affects you also as you go further into the fight as well.
    I can give examples of when you can tell someone is tight at the weight because you can see it in their performance.

    The fighter looks slow and laboured and as if they are in some type of zombie like trance where you know what you want to do but your body just wont work with you.

    Margarito looked like this against Mosley
    Angulo looked like this against Cintron
    Castillo looked like this against Hatton
    Corrales looked like this against Mayweather
    Gatti looked like this against Mayweather
    Juuko looked like this against Gomez
    Oscar looked like this against Pacquiao

    Do you need me to go on, now go watch those fights again and you will see what I am talking about.
     
  14. (PimpThaSystem)

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    Pacquiao will win, most likely by ko. In the Zab Judah fight, Cotto was walking into straight lefts all night. This coupled with Pac's speed, power, and boxing ability makes this an awful fight for Cotto.

    I just think it's sad that when this does happen everyone will say Cotto's been shot since Margarito and that Pac and Roach were just cherrypickin.
     
  15. boricua_cotto1

    boricua_cotto1 LATIN KINGS Full Member

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    if the fight is at 144 .the night of the weigh in cotto makes weight after he rehydrates he will be around 150-152 i think he should be fine but there is no doubt that cotto will need to work on his speed, conditioning, defense more speed then anything ...me being a cotto fan this fight is 60-40 in pacs favor ...i think cotto can do it but he needs a new trainer and a new cut man ...god forbid that cut re-opens its going to spell disaster and pac will take him out ...clottey couldent take him about but best belive pacman will ...im still rooting for my boy but he is going to have to prepare for this fight like its his last one :smoke