Adrian Diaconu versus Jean Pascal

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  1. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Bute by fairly easy UD.
    Not imressed by Froch tbh,footwork that makes me laugh,slow,hands down,no defense,telegraphs punches,etc.

    But he does have a good chin,good power and a extremely strong determination so you can never count him out.
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It's not a stone, nothing like.

    Abraham is struggling, really struggling to stay at 160. He would already be at 168, his natural weight now, if it wasn't for the fact that the Pavlik fight looks like being made.
     
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  3. Shattered Glass

    Shattered Glass Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Also, Bute Froch would be AWESOME. I don't know who'd I'd pick. Froch just has so many 'intangibles' that it makes picking his (recent) fights very hard.
     
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  4. Shattered Glass

    Shattered Glass Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Dude. One stone is weight separates 160 and 175. Well... almost. 14 pounds in a stone....
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I agree with pretty much everything you've said here, but I think that he hits harder than Andrade and I also believe he is willing to take more punishment to land those big shots. Over 12 rounds Andrade all but outgamed Bute - it was as close as it can be without the actual. I think Froch will finish him. But like you say, hopefully we'll see.
     
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  6. Shattered Glass

    Shattered Glass Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Froch's defense, footwork and speed isn't amazing but its UNDERRATED in my opinion.
     
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  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yes, I know that, but what I am telling you is Abraham doesn't have that gap to close in reality. He's already to big for middleweight, the program to keep him there is extreme.
     
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  8. Tom_Tocca

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    some more off-topic: Abraham's natural weight (before hitting training camp) lies around 183 lbs...
     
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  9. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Yeah I think he hits harder than Andrade too if it makes a difference(IMO it doesn't).
    Willing to take more punishment doesn't mean he can actually take more,IMO Andrade's chin is absolute granite,better than Carl's.

    Most importantly Froch doesn't put the relentless type pressure a Andrade or a Glen Johnson put.He gives you time to think.That will be his downfall IMO.
    I don't even care,I just wanna see it so bad,let's get it on.
    But for the moment I'm extremely hyped about Diaconu vs Pascal.
     
    catasyou, Jun 16, 2009
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  10. McGrain

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    Agree on the chins. My point would be that Froch is going to push Bute harder, sooner, he's not going to spend as long as Andrade trying to work his way in "properly". He'll get hit loads but without being stopped, so he'll have more opportunities to send Bute to ***** street. In short, I think that Froch is more likely to beat Bute than Andrade who - well, as good as.
     
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  11. Tom_Tocca

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    I hope so, too!

    As long as Arum doesn't have the chance to put Pavlik into the same ring with Froch before Abraham has fought Pavlik, I'll be fine...
     
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  12. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    IMO he's footwork is a joke,it's laughable and it looks like when he plays soccer he hits himself with lis left in his right and calls for a foul.Plain terrible,balance,everything.I call it the worst footwork outhere by a world class fighter.
    His handspeed isn't bad but foor speed and body movement aren't anything special.
    Defense is bad.
     
    catasyou, Jun 16, 2009
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  13. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Than we don't agree.:D

    I don't see Frochy working his way inside at all.The southpaw stance and fast combinations will keep him at bay,in fact But estopping him on accumulation wouldn't surprise me altough it's not likely(or the most likely).
    BUT there is the possiility Carl takes it like a man,gets inside and knocks him the **** out yes.
     
    catasyou, Jun 16, 2009
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  14. BigBone

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    He thinks Bute would beat Froch on points.

    I'm predicting Bute by K N O C K O U T ! ! ! :yep
     
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  15. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    So what your actualy pick on Diaconu vs Pascal BB?
     
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