Cotto-Pacquiao: How does the Brit Forum think this will go?

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by ishy, Jun 15, 2009.


  1. kerrminator

    kerrminator Boxing Addict Full Member

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    With Hatton it was the same as it has been a lot with Pac. Hatton was past his best and the fights against Urango and Lazcano proved his stamina and punch resistance were no longer an asset of his. The fact he beat hatton so well deserves a bit of praise but only a fool would believe Pac could have done that to the Hatton of 05.

    He done it with MAB and Morales too. I thought Erik was on the slide in the first Pac fight never mind the second or third. There was call outs from Juan Diaz and Guzman at a time both were coming off fantastic wins and those fights would have been at a weight they could all make easily and they were all in their primes.

    Since beating Barrera in 2003(his best win imo) less than 50% of pacs opponents were coming off a win and I find that a bit suspect for a fighter who lays claim to the p4p title. (a majority of the guys coming from losses were the opponents he gets most accolades for)

    Pacs a top level fighter but he aint the best out there imo.

    There are plenty of guys he could face that wouldnt require a catchweight or any other special rules added but he seems to opt out. That my humble opinion of course :)
     
  2. widdy

    widdy lancs,where real men live Full Member

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    cotto is no where near as goood as people think,good,but not that good,but then again pac is still untested at the heavyier weight,DLH was well shot and drained,and hatton looked like he got shot.
    still think pac would be just way to fast for the slow moving cotto though:bbb
     
  3. widdy

    widdy lancs,where real men live Full Member

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    just read your post,good points,probably spot on :good
     
  4. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    The Barrera that Pacquiao fought was 28 years old. Fail.

    There is nobody more deserving of his p4p title than Pacquiao. He has the best resume anybody has had for a while.
     
  5. djoc175

    djoc175 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I disagree with the top paragraph-Hatton was the best 140lber at the time and it was Pacs first fight there.Its easy to say he was past best now,but I doubt that people were saying the same after the Malignaggi fight
     
  6. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    You are forgetting how people like to rewrite history.

    Before the Hatton fight all the talk was that Pacquiao had not yet fought a live body above 130, how Diaz was rubbish (fair) and Oscar was shot.

    They all told us how Hatton was never defeated at this weight, was big and strong, new trainer, looked better fighting Malignaggi etc.

    It's downright shameful.
     
  7. chesh

    chesh Active Member Full Member

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    I agree with this, except I'd favour Pac 60/40 at 144.
     
  8. djoc175

    djoc175 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yep.
    His punch resistance apparently became horrendous all of a sudden.IMO,Urango and Lazcano are not enough to justify this claim.Also,according to some,his lifestyle caught up with him-these 2 factors are non-falsifiable.It's also questionable whether these things would have such a sudden effect or more a gradual one.

    People discussing Cotto/Pacquaio at 140,forget it.No way can Cotto weigh 140lbs again
     
  9. cjgloves

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    How long will it take for Cotto's cut to heal?
     
  10. widdy

    widdy lancs,where real men live Full Member

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    its not rewriting history,people dident relise including me how much something quickly catchs up on you,it happens with a lot of fighters,hatton has been hit harder than that and his face aint moved,
    it happens,unfortunatly to people like me who liked hatton and his fighting heart dident want to see it,
    **** me,and how it came crashing down around little old me as well:rofl
     
  11. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    How do YOU know he's been hit harder or more importantly better than that? This boxing lark is not an exact science, a fighter might not punch as hard on paper but it depends on a lot of factors. He didn't even see that damn punch, it ain't nothing to do with how hard he was hit it was the fact Pacquiao was way too good and he couldn't see the angles Pacquiao was working.

    Hypothetical scenario...Pacquiao outclasses Cotto and stops him in 5. Whether you think that will happen or not...lets say it does. What are we going to hear then? Is that another fighter on the slide that Pacquiao beat?

    Come on, people gotta wise up. There is always excuses. Pacquiao been beating up past it fighters his whole career according to some. It's just not true.
     
  12. widdy

    widdy lancs,where real men live Full Member

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    ok then,he dident see it comeing,it caught him on the chin,dislodging his jawbone,sending a signal up to his brain,saying 'lie down,go to sleep'.ask a lot of people in the know,punch resistance goes mate,especially with pressure fighters like hatton.
    luckly for me,i give up before it did,i wasent a pressure fight,just got hit a lot

    i aint making excuses mate,hatton was beat,good and proper,if pac beats cotto,it wont suprise me in the slightest.i aint taking nowt away from pac,he is a lot better than people think,what will your excuse be if kessler gets beat off froch,lucky last second punch
     
  13. djoc175

    djoc175 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Punch resistance is non-falsifiable
     
  14. TheUzi

    TheUzi MISSION INCOMPLETE Full Member

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    It was Pacs speed that destroyed Hatton. If Hatton cant see the punches coming,he has no time to brace himself for getting hit,hence.....KO

    I'd personally side with Cotto if he and Pac were to ever fight but for people to somehow try and discredit Pac is absurd.
     
  15. antcull

    antcull Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I absolutely cannot decide on how this fight will go...

    Like its been said before it would have been just ridicolous to even contemplate this matchup a year ago. The way Pac has been looking though....dont know if I can pick against him