The double standard Oscar at 147 but not Cotto

because there was no one else at 154 worth fighting. was there a fighter of cotto's of mosley's caliber at 154 at that time? no! and pbf had a good fight ahead with a light welter willing to fight him at 147. why not take it?

dude, i totally agree that cotto, pbf, and mosley are all big fights. but if pac faces jmm at 140, it will sell more than a pac-mosley fight, but not cotto and pbf.

why is pac calling the shots nonsense? you saw mosley pimping himself so pac would fight him right? agreed at a catchweight, taking 40%, having a rematch clause in case pac loses, distributing a press release that the fight was already signed when it wasnt yet. what do you call that? would mosley have done that with any other fighter? nope. so who's calling the shots? pacquiao is.

and how do you explain cotto saying that he'd go no lower than 145? the fighter himself agreed at a catchweight of 145. but you people can't seem to get over the fact that they wont be fighting at 147.

so you console yourself with saying that pac fought dlh at welter right? but what was his weight in the weigh in? 142. if he fights at welterweight again, he'll likely end up being around that weight again. cotto will weigh 146 or 147 like he normally does and will outweigh pac by at least ten pounds come fight night.

i'm not sugarcoating facts. pac and roach knew that they can take oscar at 147 and that 147 was the lowest oscar could possible go at that time and this is why they agreed to fight there. fighting cotto at 147 will mean giving up all advatages to cotto. it would be balsy if he did but it would stupid.

for clarity's sake, you are calling a fighter who won his first title at 112, who primeweight is at 126, a punk because he's asking a fighter who debuted at 140 now fighting at 147, who last weighed in at 146 to shed a few (2-3) pounds and fight him for the biggest money he has earned in his entire life. :verysad

 

Pac's biggest wins were against fighters with disadvantages.

Wether they were past their prime, shot, weight drained, or exposed for having a china chin.

 

or have beaten fighters with fan's that has lot of excuses after the fight.

 

lol...:good

 

I understand your angle. At 140 PAC is seen as capbable fighting at a high level. Cotto use to be able to fight at Jr WW at the highest level but not for 8 fights since campaining as a WW. But regardless PAC is going to be the smaller man at 140 or 147. The problem is PAC had to do the same thing, just reversed! He had to come up 2 weight classes to face DLH at 147, then to 140 to face Hatton where he NEVER faught prior. There were so many unkowns i.e. Can PAC carry his power and speed up to 147.....how will moving down 7 pounds to face Ricky affect him, will he be weight drained? Ect.

For Cotto it's his choice. He's looking to face PAC, since PAC is the one calling shots....or his camp are the ones calling the shots Cotto will have the options of accepting, making a counter offer or declining the fight altogether....Just as PAC had those same options. PAC has only faught at 140 and 147 once...and beyond that he only had one fight at 135. He's really a 130 lbs fighter.

It's amazing and almost un-comprehensable that he's been able to move up 3 weight classes in such a short period of time and still preform against top opposition in dominating fashion. For Cotto to get the praise he too will have to make some sacrafices as ALL the greats have done at one time or anther. He isn't an exception to the rule. And I feel the fight will be at a catch weight. If its not then Cotto, should he win will get plenty of praise! Which he'll deserve.

 

1. Was Morales the same Morales after three brutal wars with Barrera and many other wars throughout his Career by the tie he fought Pac? Taking into account that by the time Pac beat him he had lost to Barrera and Zhir Raheem recently.

2. Was Barrera on the decline, and had his wars take on toll on him?

3. Was DLH clearly Past his prime, and weight drained, hence the reason he needed to rehydrate with IV as Roach pointed out.

4. Was Hatton's weak chin exposed three times by Collazo, Mayweather, and Lazcano?

5. Did several Philipino media outlets score the 2nd fight for JMM?

Answer these questions truthfully, and you will see truth.

 

Troll thread. Been done like 10 times already.

 

hmm... this coming from the same guy who said barrera was already past his prime in 2003. so, what do you call the barrera whom jmm fought 4 years later and managed to KD him?

barrera was 29 in 2003, even younger than pac is now. so, i guess pac is already be past his prime. :-(

 

To be fair.....you can do this with anyone, any champion. Oscar, Tito, Jones Jr, Joe C. Ali, Leonard, Robinson, Mayweather. "Was", "Ifs", "Could've", "Should've" ect. Unfortunately all the greats are viewed and analyzed under the microscope. MOST fans, experts or historians don't over analyze for the simple reason that the men who are considered "Greats" are in that category for a reason. Whether it be their talent, Skills, Natrual abilities/gifts, Warrior spirit/mentality or all the above. Not many are under this kind of scurtiny, but those who are most can make a more powerful case arguing the exact opposite of naysayers! MAB, EM and JMM all have been there at one point in time as well.

 

Clearly, CLEARY you know nothing about boxing. Age doesn't necessarily determine wether you're past prime or not. Take Vargas for example. He was past his prime by 27, and shot by 29.

Barrera and MOrales had been in many wars, and if you had followed their carreers pre Pac, you'd know they were not the same fighters. Infact, most agreed that even after their first fight they had left something in the ring.

Barrera had CLEARLY slowed down by 2003, and his fights with Kevin Kelley and Johnny Tapia show how much he had slowed down.

 

Barrera lost to Marquez so you have no point. Barrera's last big win was against Morales...a man imo Barrera beat 3 times.

 

Troll thread trolled by a poster like 10 times who trolls threads to call them thread trollers...

 

You can do it to some degree. But the FACT remains that Pac's biggest wins came to fighters with Clear disadvantages. That cannot be denied.

 

Don't argue with UliUli. You won't get anywhere, he's mexican and despises Pacquiao with a passion.

 

Still sore troll? :rofl.