The double standard Oscar at 147 but not Cotto

I agree with this. It's why I say Pac is fortunate enough to have came into the scene at the end of a great era and had most of his career during a weak era.

Barrera was not shot, but clearly past his best, and that was common knowledge.

The ONLY reason roach made the fight was because he clearly knew ODLH was done. Hell, Ivan Calderon would have beta DLH that night. He needed IV!!!!! To rehydrate!!! DLH had not made 147 in over a decade, and at his age it simply took a huge toll, coupled with the fact he is a part time boxer full time promoter, and had been on the decline for several years now. Anyone who says DLh was even 50% of what he once was is a ****** or a *******.

Easy, Hatton was KO by PBF who hadn't KO anyone a merit in how long????? And there's a reason why Lazcano has always been a B level fighter as well as Collazo. Getting wobbled by those guys is embarrassing.

Most def. I agree, Pac is a extremely good fighter as is JMM, but I gave JMM the nod.

Pac is at his peak and has not shown any signs of decline as DLH, Barrera, MOrales and Hatton showed.

 

uliuli says shot, i say green. :good

 

Barrera was prime when he lost to Jones. You know that I picked Pac to beat the shite out of dlh, and so what it took Floyd 10 rounds to ko Hatton. Floyd fought Hatton when he was undefeated.

 

WRONG *******.

My threda read,

" What excuses will *******s have IF Pac loses"

Key word "IF", always giving Pac a chance even if it was a small chance.

 

Green may not be the right word for a champion although Valero was still considered "green" after Maquera. At the point when PAC came to fight int he states his opposition were not very well known at the lower weights and most if not all his fights were within the southeast Asia where comp is not really know for being deep or great by any stretch of the imagination. he really took a leap facing comp here in the states.

 

Pac's early comp is only unknown. Green is only when you are still fighting amateurishly, not fightin...whether winnng or losing to unknown/known comp. Vargas and Reid were not green when they fought Tito, they lacked experience in big fights.

 

When Oscar calls, you pick up the phone.

 

some questions are for uliuli who have clearly picked oscar then to beat pac.

barrera could be at his physical peak but barrera changed his style and came to beat undefeated fighter like hamed and morales before he lost to pac.

and also, floyd fought hatton at 147 where he struggled against collazo.

 

I love how all these haters try to retrospectively devalue Pacquiao's wins as if he was always at some kind of advantage.

Take for example Pac/Barrera 1. Pacquiao is a superbantamweight moving up and fighting undisputed featherweight champion and p4p contender MAB in front of a huge pro mexican crowd in the Alamodome. Pac dominates the fight before earning a tko stoppage in the 11th. Huge, huge win for green Pac at the time.

Now people are trying to claim MAB was shot coming into this fight? Crazy.

 

exactly. but when roach was saying dlh couldn't pull the trigger anymore, many said he was a lunatic. when he was saying the truth all along. look, pac's camp isnt hiding anything. in fact it was roach who openly said that he saw the IV marks, if he didnt say that, no one would have noticed.

pac and his team knew what they were in for and i applaud their calculation instead of ribbing them because they beat a fighter who was shot and weight drained. no one belived in pac but his team and a handful of pacfans. it turned out to be a mismatch for their favor, good for them.

truth be told, i was happier when pac beat diaz than when pac beat dlh. i'm not trying to fool myself into thinking that the dlh he beat was the same who beat chavez or whitaker.

okay, pbf didnt knock anybody out in two years, sure. 2 years before he kod shamba mitchell and arturo gatti. okay.

hatton was wobbled by lazcano and collazo, sure,

but then take into consideration that pac was ko'd twice already and those were at 112, was wobbled by jmm a couple of times, was knocked down by a jab from skinny hussein, was knocked down by serikzhan yeshmagambetov (you didnt know that one did you?) and was even hurt by a weak-ass looking foul blow from a shot mab.

if getting stung by collazo and lazcano and being kod by mayweather is having a bad chin that could have been put to sleep by anybody, then what do you call pac's chin?

and so hatton was known to be a strong fighter, with good power at 140, wasnt the chance of getting hit by a full-fledged junior welter who has knocked out names like castillo and tsyzu enough risk?

 

WTF??? Pac had well over 40 fights by the time he lost to a shot Morales.

 

shot morales? you do realize that i'm just returning the favor? the only time that a shot morales would beat pac is if he is still green, one-dimesional and one-fisted guy.

 

fine, but you thought pac was going to have his ass handed to him right? check the boxing prediction league website. look who i had for that fight. you'll see pac by late ko.

my point is even if dlh was in the condition he was in, many of yall still thought pac WAS GOING TO GET KNOCKED THE **** OUT. and this was reason enough for pac to fight dlh. hindsight is a gift. it's easy to diminish pac's win now that he did it. so you cant fault pac for facing dlh. he did it mostly for the money and the chance to prove yall wrong.

and please don't call me that. i know you do realize that i'm not a *******. i dont claim to be the best boxing analyst around but i know what i'm talking about.

you agreed with some of the things i said, isnt it against mexican law or something to agree with a *******?

 

Hatton went up 7 lbs. He didn't go down 7 lbs. Floyd didn't outbox Hatton, he out slugged him.

 

Pac was not green ok, he was not green when he fought Barrera.