Cotto should do exactly what Oscar did - Meet Pac In The Middle!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by DINAMITA, Jun 17, 2009.


  1. DINAMITA

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    A - as you have said a million times yourself, Ruiz was ****ing ****. Cotto isn't.

    B - as you have said a million times yourself, Jones did not hang around at hw to fight any real hw's - Cotto is a real ww.

    C - Jones had one fight at hw, Pac had one fight at ww. Jones wasn't heavy enough to be a real hw and he knew it. Pac wasn't heavy enough to be a real ww (weighing in at 142lbs??) and he knew it.

    D - If the fight is at 145, it won't be for Cotto's belt. I very much doubt Pac gives a **** about the belt, he wants big fights and big names, he won't give a toss about the shitty WBOgus belt (haven't you also slated WBO belts many times as well??)

    E - Even someone whose knowledge of the sport seems to begin and end with Glass Jaws must realize that weight differences mean less the bigger fighters get. A 12lbs difference is absolutely **** all at heavyweight, a 12lbs down at welterweight is massive. So it's a shite comparison.

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  2. DINAMITA

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    Oscar came down in weight to fight a naturally smaller man. Cotto should do the same.
     
  3. Solid Chin

    Solid Chin Concrete Wars Full Member

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    You can copy past all you want I've read all of the posts up to this point in the thread and now you resort to copy and pasting :rofl come on man.

    Cotto will be ****ed if he has to fight at 144 and he will look similar or maybe even worse performance wise to the way he looked against Malignaggi and look how Malignaggi was finding him.

    Cotto cant make no 144lbs and still be 100% and if 2lbs if not a big deal to you then why dont you just allow Cotto to come in at 147 then?

    The whole point of him coming down to 144 is so he ****ing drains his ass to make weight you plonker...:patsch thats what Roach is gambling on. Are you blind to these facts...???
     
  4. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oscar was three weightclasses above Pac at the time. Cotto is one above because Pac fought at 140 in his last fight. Pac has fought at 147 before and looked very impressive without any effects from the increase in weight. So why not fight at 147 if it didn't hinder your ability in any way? Both fighters would be at 100% and I would give Pac full credit for beating Cotto at 147.
     
  5. Solid Chin

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    A. Ruiz was good enough to compete with Holyfield so does that make Holyfield **** because Ruiz beat him ?

    B. Jones was out to make history and he did but you didn't hear him talking about a ****ing catchweight did you ?

    C. Heavyweight is totally different, those guys can send you to your grave with one punch. At welterweight and where Manny is there is a much closer weight comparison compared to heavyweight where the weights vary so much.

    D. The fight wont make no sense if its not for some title, I mean ****, he might as well try to win a legit title at WW, because he did it at LWW so why not at WW?

    E. Weight difference is weight difference it dont matter whether your a heavy or a welter, if you got skill u can compete anywhere. Look at James Toney as an example, argument closed...
     
  6. DINAMITA

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    I'm cutting and pasting because you haters all come up with the same old dog****, and the same logic can rebuke you all.

    Plonker?? Good one Grandad.

    The point is not to weight-drain Cotto, it is to avoid a Gatti-Gamache situation where one man outweighs the other by too much on fightnight.

    If Pac is 148lbs on fightnight, and Cotto is 160lbs, the difference will be enormous. Limiting the weight Cotto can rehydrate to even a little makes it a fairer fight.
     
  7. VanillaKilla

    VanillaKilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Team pac better stop with this catch-weight BS.
    Who does this guy think he is with his demands? He is not bigger in boxing. The allure of fighting bigger fighters is severly tarnished when you make them come down in weight :patsch If he wants the glory of beating the welterweight champion, then he should fight him at welterweight. It dosent acomplish much beating the welterchamp in drained form.
     
  8. DINAMITA

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    It didn't hinder his ability v Oscar, but Oscar did not rehydrate to 160lsb on fightnight and Oscar is not prime, and Oscar was not fighting at lww three years ago nor did Oscar weigh in at 146lbs for his last fight - only 2lbs higher than he is being asked to now.

    If Pacquiao is giving away 12lbs on fightnight, of course it will hinder his ability.
     
  9. VanillaKilla

    VanillaKilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its not supposed to be a fair fight:patsch
    Hes going up in weight to fight a good fighter that is much bigger than him. Thats why everyone gives fighters who jump weight classes so much credit.... Cuz they beat bigger men in unfair fights using skill
     
  10. Solid Chin

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    And you honestly believe that.
    Freddie Roach has already showed you his strategy.

    As long as that struggle has been made to make that weight they wont be healthy come fight night anyway.

    Pacquiao needs to fight these dudes at 147 or just leave the 147 division alone and concentrate on beating guys like Campbell and Guzman or Bradley.

    This sport is turning into some pre madonna's show...
     
  11. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Like I've said. Weight differences are apart of the sport, if you can't handle it then watch Golf. If Pac wants to fight Welterweights, then he should fight at the weight.
     
  12. DINAMITA

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    A - Ruiz competed with a years past-prime Holyfield. So did Larry Donald. Argument closed.

    B - See previous post. HW is a totally different ball game, weight differences don't mean half as much there. Plus, as already stated, Ruiz at hw and Cotto at ww are two very different animals.

    C - Who has John Ruiz ever EVER sent to sleep with one punch? He has sent many people to sleep watching his dire attempts to win the WBA belt, he put people to sleep with his horrid attempts at beating a former mw, but I don't believe he ever put any good fighter to sleep with a punch.

    D - The fight won't make sense without the WBO belt?? :lol: Maybe I'm just more of a traditionalist than you, but alphabet belts mean nothing. I want a fair and exciting fight between two great fighters, **** the trinkets.

    E - Argument closed?? Fail. James Toney has been at a good heavyweight weight for years, he isn't a 190lbs heavy like Jones and Spinks were. Hit Boxrec amigo. :good
     
  13. DINAMITA

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    Nah. Oscar came down in weight to fight a naturally smaller man, so should Cotto.
     
  14. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You clearly don't get it. The fight was agreed to take place at the Welterweight limit. So should this fight.
     
  15. DINAMITA

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    A pre madonna? Was that Madonna when she was just a nipper, before she became a singing star? :nut

    A past-prime lmw in his mid 30s coming down to ww is not the same as a 5ft 7in, 28 yr old former lww champ dropping 2 pounds.

    2lbs will not turn Cotto into a walking corpse at all. Stop hating.