Roberto Duran. Overrated or what?!

Lionel Rose · Jun 19, 2009

Having just read George Kimball's 'Four Kings' tome - which was a good read, for sure - I just don't see Duran as being in the same league as the other three greats mentioned therein, i.e. Hagler / Leonard or the original 'Hitman' - Hearns.
Am I alone in my assessment of rating 'Hands of Stone' as little more than a street thug with only basic boxing skills?
Okay, he beat Sugar Ray fair and square in their first outing, but this was more down to Leonard 'not showing up' on the night, and Hagler giving him far too much respect in their match-up, resulting in probably Hagler's poorest showing in a world title bout.
I was miffed at Kimball's description of Kirkland Laing as merely 'a journeyman,' when, in truth, had he applied himself, 'the Gifted One' could surely have won a version of the world crown.
He boxed rings around Duran, only to get a majority decision against the 'home' fighter that night.
Duran was also most fortunate to get a decision against Scotland's finest, Kenny Buchanan, when, after hitting him 'south of the border' for the umpteenth time, Buchanan was unable to continue.
Not only was Duran gifted the stoppage win, but Buchanan was never granted the automatic rematch he should so obviously been granted.
No, Duran was just a determined little street brawler, albeit with much grit and determination when he was 'up for it,' but got well and truly found out against most decent quality opposition.
It's high time that the Duran myth was exposed once and for all.

FINITO · Jun 19, 2009

Not overrated at all.

faisal · Jun 19, 2009

your talking about the man who beat a prime SRL as a LW overated and duran do not match

McGrain · Jun 19, 2009

Lionel Rose said: ↑

Having just read George Kimball's 'Four Kings' tome - which was a good read, for sure - I just don't see Duran as being in the same league as the other three greats mentioned therein, i.e. Hagler / Leonard or the original 'Hitman' - Hearns.
Am I alone in my assessment of rating 'Hands of Stone' as little more than a street thug with only basic boxing skills?
Okay, he beat Sugar Ray fair and square in their first outing, but this was more down to Leonard 'not showing up' on the night, and Hagler giving him far too much respect in their match-up, resulting in probably Hagler's poorest showing in a world title bout.
I was miffed at Kimball's description of Kirkland Laing as merely 'a journeyman,' when, in truth, had he applied himself, 'the Gifted One' could surely have won a version of the world crown.
He boxed rings around Duran, only to get a majority decision against the 'home' fighter that night.
Duran was also most fortunate to get a decision against Scotland's finest, Kenny Buchanan, when, after hitting him 'south of the border' for the umpteenth time, Buchanan was unable to continue.
Not only was Duran gifted the stoppage win, but Buchanan was never granted the automatic rematch he should so obviously been granted.
No, Duran was just a determined little street brawler, albeit with much grit and determination when he was 'up for it,' but got well and truly found out against most decent quality opposition.
It's high time that the Duran myth was exposed once and for all.
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Worst post in a bad week for posting.

safc1990 · Jun 19, 2009

I take it you have never seen Duran as a lightweight, he was outstanding. Duran was at his absolute peak in the first Leonard fight and Leonard pulled a *****/smart (depending on your view) move by going for an immediate rematch because he knew Duran would be ****ed from getting down to 147 after all the partying.

rccwilliams · Jun 19, 2009

Duran is god on this forum. This will not end well.

pngo · Jun 19, 2009

Anyone who says Duran is overrated doesn't know **** about boxing.

Losfer_Words · Jun 19, 2009

Lionel Rose said: ↑

Having just read George Kimball's 'Four Kings' tome - which was a good read, for sure - I just don't see Duran as being in the same league as the other three greats mentioned therein, i.e. Hagler / Leonard or the original 'Hitman' - Hearns.
Am I alone in my assessment of rating 'Hands of Stone' as little more than a street thug with only basic boxing skills?
Okay, he beat Sugar Ray fair and square in their first outing, but this was more down to Leonard 'not showing up' on the night, and Hagler giving him far too much respect in their match-up, resulting in probably Hagler's poorest showing in a world title bout.
I was miffed at Kimball's description of Kirkland Laing as merely 'a journeyman,' when, in truth, had he applied himself, 'the Gifted One' could surely have won a version of the world crown.
He boxed rings around Duran, only to get a majority decision against the 'home' fighter that night.
Duran was also most fortunate to get a decision against Scotland's finest, Kenny Buchanan, when, after hitting him 'south of the border' for the umpteenth time, Buchanan was unable to continue.
Not only was Duran gifted the stoppage win, but Buchanan was never granted the automatic rematch he should so obviously been granted.
No, Duran was just a determined little street brawler, albeit with much grit and determination when he was 'up for it,' but got well and truly found out against most decent quality opposition.
It's high time that the Duran myth was exposed once and for all.
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Are you a troll? If not then that is a pretty bold statement, my friend. I completely agrre with you about the Buchannan fight and for me that is the only gripe I've got with him but I would still say a resounding 'NO' to your point- Duran is in no way overrated.

Zakman · Jun 19, 2009

pngo said: ↑

Anyone who says Duran is overrated doesn't know **** about boxing.
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Exactly. If anything, P4P, Duran is the greatest of the four!!!!atsch

Danny_Rand · Jun 19, 2009

He's overrated at 147 and above where he struggled. However for a little Panamanian he was good. Went 12 hard rounds with Hagler. Beat Leonard. For a lightweight thats phenominal.

FrochPascal · Jun 19, 2009

Lionel Rose said: ↑

Having just read George Kimball's 'Four Kings' tome - which was a good read, for sure - I just don't see Duran as being in the same league as the other three greats mentioned therein, i.e. Hagler / Leonard or the original 'Hitman' - Hearns.
Am I alone in my assessment of rating 'Hands of Stone' as little more than a street thug with only basic boxing skills?
Okay, he beat Sugar Ray fair and square in their first outing, but this was more down to Leonard 'not showing up' on the night, and Hagler giving him far too much respect in their match-up, resulting in probably Hagler's poorest showing in a world title bout.
I was miffed at Kimball's description of Kirkland Laing as merely 'a journeyman,' when, in truth, had he applied himself, 'the Gifted One' could surely have won a version of the world crown.
He boxed rings around Duran, only to get a majority decision against the 'home' fighter that night.
Duran was also most fortunate to get a decision against Scotland's finest, Kenny Buchanan, when, after hitting him 'south of the border' for the umpteenth time, Buchanan was unable to continue.
Not only was Duran gifted the stoppage win, but Buchanan was never granted the automatic rematch he should so obviously been granted.
No, Duran was just a determined little street brawler, albeit with much grit and determination when he was 'up for it,' but got well and truly found out against most decent quality opposition.
It's high time that the Duran myth was exposed once and for all.
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:nut

pngo · Jun 19, 2009

Danny_Rand said: ↑

He's overrated at 147 and above where he struggled. However for a little Panamanian he was good. Went 12 hard rounds with Hagler. Beat Leonard. For a lightweight thats phenominal.
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Where he beat a prime SRL?

brando18b4h · Jun 19, 2009

Duran was a very special fighter, Come on , the man fought in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and 2000's. A very rare talent.

Shifty107 · Jun 19, 2009

Lionel Rose said: ↑

Having just read George Kimball's 'Four Kings' tome - which was a good read, for sure - I just don't see Duran as being in the same league as the other three greats mentioned therein, i.e. Hagler / Leonard or the original 'Hitman' - Hearns.
Am I alone in my assessment of rating 'Hands of Stone' as little more than a street thug with only basic boxing skills?
Okay, he beat Sugar Ray fair and square in their first outing, but this was more down to Leonard 'not showing up' on the night, and Hagler giving him far too much respect in their match-up, resulting in probably Hagler's poorest showing in a world title bout.
I was miffed at Kimball's description of Kirkland Laing as merely 'a journeyman,' when, in truth, had he applied himself, 'the Gifted One' could surely have won a version of the world crown.
He boxed rings around Duran, only to get a majority decision against the 'home' fighter that night.
Duran was also most fortunate to get a decision against Scotland's finest, Kenny Buchanan, when, after hitting him 'south of the border' for the umpteenth time, Buchanan was unable to continue.
Not only was Duran gifted the stoppage win, but Buchanan was never granted the automatic rematch he should so obviously been granted.
No, Duran was just a determined little street brawler, albeit with much grit and determination when he was 'up for it,' but got well and truly found out against most decent quality opposition.
It's high time that the Duran myth was exposed once and for all.
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:nono

Quit reading about it and watch some of his fights for yourself u impressionable dick. The man was a beast and deserves his spot with the p4p elite. This **** is insulting. :fire

bronx · Jun 19, 2009

he is not overated arguably the greatest to ever do it

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