Do you believe that a true heavyweight champ will be crowned on June 20?

Why is Valuev even on this poll? Just because he is a paper champion? Beating him means absolutely nothing and validates absolutely nothing. Chagaev already beat him. So hell no, the winner doesn't need to beat him to become true champion.

But they do need to beat Vitali though. And since the Klit bros will never fight each other, I hope for an upset tomorrow night to shake things up in this division!

 

Yes,,,,but, i agree that sence the brothers will not fight each other, that vitali will also be champ with his brother, it sounds weird but it also makes sence, there both champs because, they stated that there goal was to hold the titles at the same time, to me, i give wlad the edge, cause he been champ longer, but there both the champs, an that is how it should go down in history, an vitali should focus on valuev, an let wlad take care nut job, pizza face

 

Depends what you mean.

If Wlad wins he is the clear number 1. And understandably, unification to become properly undisputed is very, very difficult for Wlad. Valuev is a paper champion who will probably never be let into the same ring, and Vitali is Vitali.

He could still do with beating Valuev and do his very best to unify the WBA properly, its a difficult fight to make but money talks and plenty of seemingly impossible fights had to be made for the likes of Lewis, Holyfield etc.

If you are asking does Wlad become THE HW champion with a new linear status, then no. He becomes closer to that but you have to remember that Vitali has a great claim to the title as well. Brothers or not, it makes no difference.

You can accept they will not fight each other, but you cant just say 'OK this brother has the better claim so we elevate him, and the other brother becomes totally insignificant'

Wladimir needs to outlast his brother or fight him to truly gain linear status. The cold hard fact is that you cant elevate Wlad to that position while there is a beltholder with a very good claim to the title who he has not yet fought, ie Vitali. As it stands, they prevent each other from truly rising to the very top of HW status.

Myself, I would be ready to accept Wlad as linear champion if he can grab Vitali's belt, either when he loses it, or retires. The WBA can go **** themselves, their HW belt has been disgracefully dragged through the dirt since they stripped Lewis the best part of a decade ago. Wlad cant become truly undisputed without it in the technical sense of the word, but he can establish a new lineage with the other 3 belts as far as I'm concerned, and I hope he can do that.

 

Agreed. Everytime he fought someone decent he lost - irrelevant of whether the judges gave him the win or not.

 

Vitali still has the stronger lineage as champion. Vitali actuallty fought the last champ, Lewis, in Lewis`s last fight.

But apart from that, he fought for Lewis`s vacant title against Sanders [who was WBO champ]. Sanders had beaten Wladimir in his last fight and Vitali then beat Sanders. Vitali holds the lineage of victory over Wladimir through Wlads unavenged loss to Sanders. Vitali won Lewis`s retired belt and in reality the WBO belt since Sanders was only stripped of it for fighting for the WBC belt!

Vitali gained the Ring belt also which he never lost. He retired without losing his championship. When he returned from retirement he beat the holder of his belt to clear up any claim to his status.

Wlad gained his IBF belt from Byrd! Byrds claim to that belt was beating an undeserving 42 year old Holyfield for a VACANT paper title at the time that Lewis was THE CHAMPION, that belt did not make Byrd champion. Lewis was. Wlad also gained the paper and VACANT IBO title in this fight! All Wlads belts were Vacant titles with no lineage behind them greater than Vitali`s.

The WBO belt Wlad holds was won off Ibragimov in the worst fight in history, Ibragimov won the belt from a line that goes back to a VACANT championship fight for it which Wlad lost to Brewster after it was stripped from the holder, Sanders who ko`d Wlad for the WBO belt and then lost that lineage to Vitali.

THERFORE WE CAN CONCLUDE THAT THE LINEAGE OF CHAMPIONSHIPS RUN STRONGER THROUGH TO VITALI KLITSCHKO.

To summerise, Vitali holds this over Wlad,

Lewis`s retired title, WBC.
He never lost the Ring title.
Lineage of victory over Wlad.
Lineage of WBO title.

Plus who really thinks Wlad could beat Vitali?

 

As long as Klitschko wins people will never say he is the "real" Heavyweight Champion.

 

must beat vitali

 

A lot of the time, the bodies will not let you unify and then will almost certainly give you a mandatory against a nobody within 90 days.

 

I believe that Wladimir Klitschko is already the True Heavyweight Champ. I don't even see how it is debatable given his accomplishments up against everyone else in the division over the last 5 years. However, this fight just goes on to cement it even more.

 

Define 'True Heavyweight Champ'. I agree he's the number one but he's not established new lineage and beating Chagaev won't do it either.

 

What if Vitali retires after the next fight and the WBC gives his belt to someone Wlad has beaten in the say his last 5 fights? Does that make Wladimir the champion in the eyes of the world.

 

Nah, a title can't be granted retrospectively. We hate the sanctioning bodies for pulling that ****.

 

Beating peter cemented the fact that he was still the WBC champion.

Chagaev only gained his belt from a short undistinguished lineage from Valuev to Ruiz and another vacant title match for a belt thats been worthless ever since it became what cyberboxingzone calls the Evander Holyfield retirement championship fund belt.

 

Vitali is the WBC champion and is clearly the better of the two brothers. And people seem to be forgetting about the WBA champion. So no there will be no true, undisputed champion tonight.