Ruslan Chagaev top 5 in any decade MY ASS!!!

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  1. onourway

    onourway Haye KTFO1 Wlad Full Member

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    I think Vitali could beat him.

    The main reason I'd back him is because he seems much more ruthless than his brother. I think Vitali would come in to win and Wlad would be even more cautious than usual. If this was two guys with no relation to each other, then Wlad's attributes may see him past Vitali, but with the brother thing going on, I'd back Vitali to be the least effected by it.

    Shitty way to analyse a fight, but it's a unique scenario that would play a massive part on the outcome.
     
  2. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I agree Vitalii would beat him personally.
     
  3. Fighting Weight

    Fighting Weight Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If I were David Haye right now I'd be pulling out all the stops to try to get Chagaev into the ring. I saw nothing tonight that should concern him, and what better way to get himself back in the frame than by stopping Chagaev quicker than WALDO did?
     
  4. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    So you guys are saying the CURRENT 38 year old PAST HIS PRIME semi retired Vitali beats the current Wlad?
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I'm nothing like as convinced as the rest of these boys, but Vitali does have the style advantage.

    I like Haye's chances better against Vitali than Wlad, but it seems like i'm the only man in the world that feels that way. You?
     
  6. teeto

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    Does Vitali even look like he's lost a considerable step?

    ok then if i must watch every single word i type with you lurking- Vitali at his best beats Wlad at his best imo.
     
  7. teeto

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    Well idon't feel that way personally, any reason why you do? Not to say you arw wrong or anything. You feel it's a speed and mobility edge to Haye?
     
  8. ThePlugInBabies

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    i tend to feel the same way about haye's chances as well.

    haye has a huge speed advantage over vitali who has been flattered, speed wise by lard arses peter and gomez.

    his chin is also still untested in his comeback and gomez did rattle him the one time he got through early on in their bout. i believe vitali would be favourite but that haye has the tools to make vitali fall apart, one way or the other.
     
  9. teeto

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    Yeah Vitali is quite slow anyway.
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    A few things. First of all, Wlad is so accomplished now that I think Haye's "puncher's chance" is overstated. Even if it turns into that kind of fight, it will be on Wlad's terms, which means landing the first punch, which means Wlad probably wins.

    Second, Vitali is old, old, and possibly ready to got. Take a fighter who is young enough with enough belief and these guys can be toppled. It still takes the right fighter - just the other day we were discussing Stracey-Napoles - but Haye could be that fighter.

    Finally, Vitali has fought something like three competitive rounds in 5 years. How's he going to react to being extended by a fighter who is quicker? Even here, Haye is not a favourite, because of his footwork, but I still like his chances better in this fight than Wlad.
     
  11. teeto

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    Yeah it's a reasonable standpoint defo. I actually don't think Haye is super fast or anything, of course he enjoys the advantage in this one though
     
  12. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    No I agree, Vitali is technically poor, fairly slow, dodgy footwork and doesn't have much on his shots. Plus he's getting older
     
  13. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    But Vitali is twice as durable as Wladimir, is actually bigger in stature, and can punch equally or just as hard as Waldo.

    I see Wladimir getting hit by Haye and that being the end of the night. Haye would have to hit Vitali with the same shot several times. You've all seen the uppercut that Vitali walked through against Lewis. Disgusting shot.
     
  14. Mendoza

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    Right. Chagaev had a high guard, his chin was tucked in, and he had some head movement. Wlad was simply too good, too big and too skilled.

    Wlad's jab rocked Chagaev back wards and when Chagaev got to close, the right hand was a killer. CHagaev wasn't a small guy at all. In fact by 1950's standards he be among the tterler and heaviest

    If Wlad fought some of 6' guys with 74" reach or less ( Hmm...I wonder who that might be in the 1950's ) he have a field day on them.
     
  15. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Haye has no shot. The right hand that jacked Chagaev's jaw in round two would have put Haye down for he count.

    As for Vitali, yes he's older but Gomez was pretty skilled and far from slow. The difference between Wlad and Vitali is Vitali is willing to trade when he's hit. Part of boxing is to hit and not be hit. Wlad has perfected that art.