Question about results on fights stopped between rounds

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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Inspired by Wlad-Chagaev and the confusion in scoring in my Lounge Prediction League:

    Why isn't there a general rule on TKOs that end in between rounds?

    I've seen some fights where it reverts to the previous round and others whereby it forwards to the next round. There seems to be no consistency on this whatsoever.

    Boxrec had originally scored Wlad's win as a TKO9. Later, it switched it to TKO10. (I'm fairly certain that Fightnews made the same switch in their report, from 9th to 10th).

    Now, Boxrec has inexplicably switched the result back to TKO9 again.

    :lol:
     
  2. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It is rather confusing. Both fighters heard the bell that ended round 9, so, in my opinion, it should go into the books as a TKO10.
     
  3. Thread Stealer

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    I think if the bell rang to start the round and they didn't answer it, then the beginning of that round counts.

    For instance, Ali-Liston 1 is a TKO 8 because the bell rang and Liston didn't answer it. Ali-Frazier 3 is a TKO 14 because it was stopped between rounds, the bell didn't sound for the 15th.

    I remember though that there was a fight recently that didn't follow this, so I got confused again.
     
  4. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    It's a baffling issue.
     
  5. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Each commission and/or sanctioning body has its own rules on what a TKO is officially called if it ends between rounds.

    Germany I believe usually calls it for the round before, in the US it's usually the upcoming round.
     
  6. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    So this would mean Wlad TKO9 is probably correct in your estimation?
     
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    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, and I believe that's what it was announced as at the time, correct?

    The American reports probably just assumed it was a TKO 10, going by the rules they're used to.
     
  8. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I forget what they announced at the time. I think Buffer just said "TKO" without really specifying, although perhaps my memory betrays me.

    BoxRec originally had RTD9, changed it to RTD10, and now it's back to RTD9 again.
     
  9. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I believe the answer to Rumsfeld's question concerns the jurisdiction where the fight is held. I know that in some US states, the result goes into the recordbook as a TKO in the most recent round completed. In other states, it is recorded as a TKO in the upcoming round. I'm sure foreign countries have their own rules.
     
  10. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I did think it was probably something along those lines, and that sanctioning bodies probably also have their own rules, which further complicates matters.

    It would seem so much easier if there was a general rule of thumb for such situations, but I guess nothing is simple in boxing.

    :lol:
     
  11. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Even if there were a general rule of thumb nationally, or worldwide, for such matters, it is guarranteed that somebody somewhere would break it. That is because sanctioning bodies everywhere have a neurotic need to break with the rules, and to establish some precedent to put themselves at odds with everyone else.
     
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    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Graham Houston of www.fightwriter.com has something interesting to say about this topic. Here are his words, and you can read the rest of the article on his website:

    "Note: This was clearly a TKO9 for Klitschko, although members of the betting fraternity have been debating whether it should be considered a 10th-round stoppage, the argument being that the minute’s interval between the ninth and 10th rounds had elapsed before the fight was officially stopped. For players who wagered on Klitschko winning in the ninth or 10th round specifically, these things matter. I will do a Graham Says column on this, probably to be posted on Sunday evening."
     
  13. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Boxing has always been filled with controversies. I can remember when many boxing experts considered a TKO the same as a KO, with no distinction between the two. There was good bit of arguing about it before that was changed.

    Maybe a stoppage between the 9th and 10th should be considered TKO 9.5?
     
  14. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Never really thought about it before, I've always assumed it would be called as a stoppage in the following round. As in didn't come out for the.......
     
  15. GazOC

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    This has always been my understanding of the rule.