Pryor-Arguello II (EDIT-Manny Steward chimed in on this)

Now here is a post i 100% agree with, on his speculation as well. It's entirely possible it was speed. Maybe a bit of sugar or something for fast delivery too.

 

well i speak to a guy who stays in regular contact with Aaron Pryor. And i have tried and tried to get him to ask what was in the bottle but he wont ask. He did tell me Aaron has sayed it was alot of different things at different points in time.

you have to see it

you are allowed water with adrenalin solution but i wouldnt drink it. and i think its ratio is 1/1000.

It was definitly illegal although i have heard it was freezing cold water and heard a sceintific explanation on that cold water does something to you which refreshes you instantaly, although a bit of suger could have helped.

Im not that big on drugs, what does speed do?

Im not that big on drugs, what does speed do?

he sayed it twice and gave Aaron the bottle twice, you dont make the same mistake twice do you. im sure he clearly mixed something with it.

Although could he have said to Aaron he had put some stuff in a water bottle for him to drink to give hima boost. But in fact just had water as a kind of Placebo.

(doubt it though as Panama Lewis is a total ***** who deserves to die)

 

possibly but do you say the wrong word twice. And note the cornerman know exactly what bottle he means

 

Great thread. Alexis Arguello is my #1 all time favorite. His early career was radically different from the ATG fighter he became. He turned pro at 16, and fought 15 times before he faced an opponent who actually had a win on his record! Even at that he managed to lose two fights.

Beginning with his 16th fight Alexis started knocking guys out left and right, and eventually got a shot at the somewhat forgettable featherweight champ Ernesto Marcel. He lost a UD. His breakthrough fight came against Ruben Olivares. In this fight Arguello proved he was more than just a heavy handed slugger. He did stop Olivares, but he had to do a good bit of boxing to get the job done in the 13th after being buzzed in the 12th.

From that point on Arguello was on a good roll. He beat Escalera to capture his 2nd world title. Lost his first fight at 135. Went back to 130, and beat Escelara a 2nd time, moved up to 135 again and beat Jim Watt to capture his 3rd world title.

The first Pryor fight was Arguello's 19th world title fight, and his 83rd night in the belly of the beast. You simply cannot appreciate this fight unless you watch the two Escalera fights and the Mancinni fight first. The decline of Alexis Arguello is quite evident if you watch those fights in the order in which they happened. During Arguello/Pryor II someone said; "Arguello in his prime slipped punches and countered. This version gets hit and counters." Couldn't have said it better myself. Furthermore, it really pisses me off that Pryor made his name on the back of a faded and ring worn legend, and probably cheated to do it!

 

Arguello is one of my favourites, his wars were vs Pryor twice, Olivares, Escalera twice.... his controlled performances were he always looked in control but was still made to work were Mancini, Watt, Boza Edwards.

There are loads more, check out the Rooney KO, very good one punch KO.

 

Hey Rummy,

It seems your new to the classic forum, if so come back and enjoy. The people on this board engage in great discussions, for the most part amiable, and folks agree to disagree. But also driven with great overall knowledge and insight.

I've said it before, I love this board I get a great education here, and the discussion is on a higher level than the general forum (not saying there aren't good discusisons there), but the overall it's a different game.

Getting back to Arguello, another reason why folks here like him so much is not just how good he was. But the fact the man was always class, came to fight and gracious in victory or defeat. A true gentleman when it came to such a violent sport. He never showboated, taunted or otherwise berated an opponent, at least to my recollection.

Regards

update never mind the new in the classics forum comment, 34k + posts ya must have been here before

 

The Rooney KO was amazing. Rooney was a decent fighter. He had one loss to Davey Moore, and Arguello just SMOKED his ass!

 

Really good post Boo. One p.s. Anybody who has forgotten Ernesto Marcel, or never heard of him ought to check him out. He was a very high class fighter.

 

Yep great post

 

Yes -- Marcel was quite good, but he's not exactly the first guy who comes to mind when you think of great featherweights. That's what I meant by "somewhat forgettable."


Arguello was somewhat green when he had his WBA featherweight title. Danny "Little Red" Lopez won the WBC version about 1 month before Arguello vacated, and prime Little Red was a beast. How do you guys see that fight going. I think it is a barn burner that unfortunately never happened.

 

My goodness, I had'nt seen those clips.....:-(


Resto admitted that Panama had done the same in other fights besides his......
He admits that Panama took the paddings off the gloves, and plastered his wraps!:twisted:

.......and I'll note that the Arguello-Pryor fight had been fougth just 6 months before Luis Resto had battered Billy Collins with paddings removed from his gloves, and my God, plastered handwraps!:fire

I'm sorry, but I cant help feel what I feel......Here's a fighter admitting that he knew Panama was doing the same to other of his fighters.....and not only does the Luis Resto-Billy Collins fight lend credence to Panama Lewis' probability to cheat, but 6 months earlier he's in Aarron Pryor's corner asking his helpers to give him the bottle that he mixed?????

.....and I'll go even further than that now that I've seen and heard this clip of Luis Resto explaining Panama's antics.......I now believe Aaron Pryor fought Alexis Arguello with loaded gloves and am here sitting at my computer desk trying to contain my anger and frustration, all "bottled" up with the sadness I feel that this was likely a common practive among dirtbags like Panama Lewis in many other fights throughout the history of the sport.:?

 

I'd like to hear from Raging_Bull on an Arguello-Lopez matchup. He thinks very highly of Lopez and backs it up with some very good arguments. I'd have to go with Arguello though. I think he was a little more refined technically and was a little quicker (at featherweight anyway) than Lopez. I just think they're similar fighters but Arguello has a few more tools that would carry him through this one. I could see Arguello on the canvas maybe in this one and Danny down a few times too. I'll say Arguello by late stoppage.

 

Arguello and Lopez both liked to stay in the pocket and punch, and both could really crack, so I can't imagine this going 15 rounds. I think both would survive some scary moments in the first half. Somewhere along the way Alexis would take over, and put Danny away, but Little Red wasn't exactly easy to get rid of. Considering Danny's history, if the 3 knockdown rule was in effect, that might be the way it ends. If not, the ref might stop it due to Lopez taking to much punihsment. Either way, it would have been a helluva fight.