Ali vs Wlad/Lewis/Vitali... how does he win?

Wlad's only good against stationary targets, who refuse to throw back or just wing punches anyone could move the hell out of the way of, something Iggy and Chagaev did alot of.

Ali would win the fight in the late rounds, unlike other fighters he has faced in the past, Ali will force him to chase him and miss alot. The fact that Wlad is 6'6 and a half 240-250will work against him in this fight, seeing that Wlad's stamina is already a weakness of his, along with his weak chin and lack of mental toughness when things get rough, as we seen when he faced guys like Brewster, Sanders, Peter.

Ali will win this fight, he's mentally tougher, better footmovement, superior handspeed, 10 times better chin, and more ring generalship. Wlad's size will work against him in this fight, and if this a 15 rounder I would bet everything I got Ali causes Wlad to have another Brewster like moment in the championship rounds.

 

Agree that Ali of Lyle would not beat Wlad. Infact, any version of Ali after 1972ish - possibly exclusing the Zaire version - would arguably lose to Wlad [at his best]. But both at their respective bests, Ali in a competitive, but very clear decision over 12. Stoppage over 15, Wlad has awful stamina.

 

Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Ali, Dempsey, these are boxers that rose above the sport or defined a generation. This is as much a part of their legacy as their skill or ring accomplishments. Conversely, Larry Holmes, and now Wladimir Klitschko (at least not yet in the USA) didn't become larger than life and their prowess was not given a boost by other considerations that they represented. This eternal discussion of who would beat who is sustained more by nostalgia and championing a generation than the relative merits of individual athletes.

 

lyle had never been stopped up untill the point ali stopped him.....young was coming off a draw against shavers, when ali beat him in a solid UD......

Its ridiculous to think.....that ali couldnt KO wlad......if guys with **** skills like brewster and sanders did it......why can't ali.....just ridiculous....

 

Wlad doesn't have to chase anyone because most of his oppenents are fat stationary targets, or just freeze up under pressure. Rahman, Austin, Brewster 1 and 2, Bryd 2, Iggy, Chagaev, all stood on the outside and let Wlad sniper away on them. Noone Wlad fought had anytype of footmovement, Bryd 1 had some, but nothing like the 67 version of Ali had.

Wlad only looks good because he's facing weak competition, that would be like putting Lebron now in a highschool basketball game, of course he's going to dominate he's physically superior to his oppostion and bigger and stronger and more skilled than anyone else. Ali on the other hand is superior to Wlad in many of the categories I already named. All Wlad's got over Ali is power, and the fact that he's physically stronger, everything else would be in Ali's favor.

 

I guess the 3 inch height advantage makes it impossible for Ali to beat Wlad even though their reach is practically the same. Fast combination punching, lateral movement, stamina, and heart don't mean anything anymore because todays heavyweights are so big. Wlad TKO5 Ali.atsch

 

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I stopped here. I can't read this tripe. Wlad fights stationary targets, he can afford to "box". But Ali only fights on the front foot when he senses a KO. He always made his opponent come forward, except against Jimmy Young, who is the most defensive-minded heavyweight you'll see. And the only reason he could afford to fight going backwards was because the 70s Ali was far more stationary. Ali would be circling Wlad from the beginning. Wlad would be forced to fight on the front foot, because you can't fight backing up against someone up on their toes who is circling, moving out of range.

I can't believe you actually combined the height and reach discrepancy to come up with the jabbing difference. Jabbing up might slightly reduce the power of the jab, but the range won't change. Do something for me... put your fist against a wall, with a straight arm. Then move it down 3 inches, and then back to normal, then up 3 inches. What do you notice? Both up and down have reduced range. Wlad has a tiny advantage in reach, it's almost negligable. But when Ali is bouncing in and out of range at the speed he did, reach won't matter.

 

Klitschko’s _style_ could be impregnable, according to Emanuel Steward, who says, “For the first time I’ve ever had a heavyweight that I could always see weaknesses when I would train a guy to beat if I was ever in the other corner. Wladimir is gonna be the one I don’t think I could train no man to beat the way he is. I’m serious. I’ve never had a fighter – I went from Holyfield and all the guys I’ve worked with, never, Lennox – (Wladimir) is a very, very committed, very difficult to beat fighter. Because he won’t let you fight him. He makes you fight what he wants you to fight. But the biggest thing which I think people are not looking at is his speed for a big man. Tremendous speed.”

 

I hear ya, size is everything to some of these idiots. I been in the ring with big and small oppenents and you know what I learned, there strengths to being the smaller man as well as weaknesses and vice versa. When your bigger you start to labor in the ring quicker than your smaller oppenent, your body tends to be more exposed, your balance/center of gravity is usually worse. All of which we seen Wlad have problems with in the past. Brewster found a ton of openenings to Wlad's body in their first fight, so much so RJJ commented that Wlad must have a strong body, but a weak chin. Wlad also showed that he tires quickly, hence the reason Emanual has him pacing himself now, because against both Brewster and Purrity he punched himself out. And finally, Wlad's center gravity is terrible, which is the reason why he looks so awkward alot of times when his oppenents are throwing punches at him. Peter had him falling all over the place and so did TOS.

Wlad's size is just as much a weakness as it is a strength, though with the help of Steward, he is able to mask his weaknesses alot better.

 

A good big man always beats a good small man. Vlad is fast, he fantastic boxing technique. Let's face it, he is fantastic and is beating all the hater's heroes.

 

Of course Stewards going to say Wlad's the best he's ever trained, he's the one thats training him and Wlad's the one sending him a paycheck at the end of the day.

Just like I'm sure your girlfriend tells you your the best she ever had in bed because she's currently with you. It wont be until after you break up will know the truth.:deal

 

Ali was taller than most of his opponents. Quarry 5 feet 10 inches tall for an example. Five inches taller!