Ali vs Wlad/Lewis/Vitali... how does he win?

Young Foreman looks pretty good.

KlitschkooooooooooOOOooOOoooOooOOooOOOOOO!!!!!!!

 

I agree, but young Foreman had a good physique, but if were talking about the 87-97 version of Foreman, then yeah he wasn't too impressive looking. Though he was also in his 40's throughout the 90's. There's no excuse for a guy in his late 20's, early 30's to look like a fat piece of ****, (Chambers, Peter, Arreola).

Both Frazier and Ali were never really built, but they never came into the ring fat. The same can't be said for alot of the top 20 Heavyweights of today.

 

Same here, that's why so many people are criticizing the HW division. I used to work 40 hrs a week in a warehouse and still go to the gym 5 days a week. I stay in great shape basically just for the fun of it and these fighters have multi-million dollar paydays and fame for motivation and don't do it.

 

Klitschkos have stayed pretty much the same for years.

 

They all had toned physiques, they just weren't overly muscular which would be detrimental to endurance.

 

Holyfield had great body, of course. Don't forget Mike "Hercules" Weaver. Remember him. He knocked out Big John Tate with fantastic punch.

 

Did you miss the key word? You seem so fixated on what these fighters accomplished during this period [and ignored my obvious notion of such accomplishments], you continue to ignore the VISIBLE difference in their performances. Compare Leonard from the second Duran fight, to that of the Hagler fight. Or to the second Hearns fight. The physical difference in speed and reflexes was enormous. Whitaker was still an excellent fighter in his early 30s, but not the same fighter he was in the early 90s. Willie Pep had the excuse of the plane crash, but by all accounts, he was a shell of himself by the time he first fought Saddler. Yet he still managed to beat Saddler in the second fight, because that's what great fighters do. They still accomplish amazing feats past their prime. That's why they are great. How difficult is this for you to understand?

As for Roy, he might be a bad example because of the weight. But regardless, the difference between Roy against Tarver [first fight] and Roy from a few years earlier was huge.

How anyone could watch Leonard against Hagler, and tell me he was still the same fighter that fought in the late 70s and early 80s totally bewilders me. It cracks me up. The same goes for Ali against Bonavena and Ali aqainst Terrell... oh my. :rofl

 

If I have to show you a picture of Ali then you havent seen enough of him. Look at the picture in which he's standing over Liston and you'd see muscle definition. Wlad/Haye/Tyson all have questionable stamina so what are you trying to prove here?

 

I used to be the exact same way, and actually worked in a wharehouse not too long ago. Though I must admit, I look better in the mirror now, than I did when I boxed at 160. When I was 160 I was alot more in-shape than I am now at 190.

I personally dont care if a fighter comes in with no muscle tone like a Povetkin, because some guys just aren't as genetically gifted as others. Though when a fighter comes in clearly overweight/fat, it shows others he doesn't care about the sport enough and is not willing to give it his 100% all.

 

Weird that on a post like this that Mike "Hercules" Weaver has not been mentioned.

 

That is correct. How you could disagree is beyond me. How about we start a poll?

"Which was the better version of Leonard [physically], the Leonard from the Green / Duran II fight, or the Leonard from the Hagler fight?"

:rofl

Or how about...

"Ali from Bonavena vs. Ali from Terrell."

:rofl

Or how about...

"Whitaker from De La Hoya vs. Whitaker from Chavez".

:rofl

Or how about...

"Jones from Tarver or Jones from Toney".

:rofl

Fact is... great fighters keep winning past their prime. That is why they're great. That's why Morales beat Pacquiao, despite a visible decline from his peak in the early 00s. That's why Mosley beat Margarito, despite a massive decline from - for example - his first win over De La Hoya. I was going to use Hopkins against Pavlik, compared to Trinidad, but he is a freak of nature that doesn't age .