Bernard's win over Pavlik overrated?

:-( Many people picked Pavlik to KO Hopkins...So IMO thats a damn good win given on how he took Pavlik out of his game!

 

Pavlik would never beat Hopkins.

 

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Given your statement...why should anybody discredit Hopkins' win?....Especially the way he did Pavlik that night??

 

Quite shocking to some but not me!!

Overated never a great great win earned by a great great fighter!

 

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I picked Pavlik on workrate and youth, but Hopkins put in a virtuoso performance. One for the ages. Definitely not overrated.

 

Here's how I see it, and please, before anyone starts flaming me, read the entire post.

The weight issue is a factor, but it wasn't a factor for the reasons most people give. BHop was a career middleweight, and Pavlik had fought above 160 thirteen times before he fought Hopkins. The weight only became a factor when KP injured his elbow in training. That injury forced them to cut out a great deal of KP's strength and weight training. Consequently, Kelly was not able to add the extra lean muscle the way they planned to, and KP came in as a blown up middle who looked a bit soft and pudgy.

Thomas Hauser was in the Pavlik locker room before the fight, he was at ringside during the fight, and he was back in the Pavlik locker room after the fight. It was Hauser who first reported Pavlik's pre-fight illness. Hauser based his report on hearing the conversation with the Doctor before the fight, and on actual medical records he saw. According to the records KP had bronchitis severe enough that he took both an oral and an intervenous antibiotics, and he had a 101 degree fever the day before the fight. The long and the short of it is that KP was nowhere near 100% on fight night.

Without the elbow injury and the bronchitis, and KP at 100%, I believe we would have had the privledge of witnessing a great fight. Hopkins did not "expose" anything that astute obsevers did not already know about Kelly. I personally laid out a fight plan, right here on ESB, for beating Pavlik, way back in 2007, that was very simlar to what BHop did. The illness and the injury merely magnified known weaknesses in Pavlik's skill set.

With KP at 100% he would have won a few rounds, maybe 4, and kept some other rounds close. We would have seen a great show; the strong young stalker and the wise old master boxer. Moreover, had it gone down that way, BHop's victory would have been even greater than it was.

In closing; no BHop's win is not over rated. Anyone who thinks it is should go back and look at that footwork; brilliant.

 

Amazing performance, BHop put on a true clinic.


Please, people, stop abusing the word 'overrated'.

 

When the PavLicks went all over ESB stating and truly believing that the 26 years-old knockout artist who had more fights north of 160 than Hopkins ([url]www.boxrec.com[/url]) will absolutely KTFO the 43 grandpa of boxing, a few of us warned this board how completely delusional they are, fans, Pavlik, Loew, Arum, everybody. First minute of the first round immediately made us justice: Hopkins showed superb movement, timing, punch selection, power and stamina and absolutely schooled the young hero who is still one of the most exciting and down to earth guy, loss or no loss.

But how can this win be overrated? Bernard not only 'schooled him' as Pavlik commented on Bernard, Kelly's serious disadvantages and defensive holes most fans and experts simply ignored before the fight struck down as a shocking reality check boxing needed for a long time.

It's sweet science, and all the corner could do in response to the sweetness was suggesting Pavlik to throw the double jab. They were completely clueless as they entered the dragon's lair. It was a performance for a generation, a performance for and era, a performance for the sweet science.

 

very overrated.

 

no way, excellent win regardless of the situation. pavlik fought near that weight several times and bernard is certainly a natural middleweight who put on a few extra pounds as he got older like everyone does. that win was inspirational. if pavlik had the sniffles big deal i'm sure bernard was 100 percent there's usually something botherin most fighters in every fight

 

Explain why its so overrated?

 

Yes and No.
On one hand despite his height Pavlik is not really a 168lbs boxer. However the pace Hopkins fought at for 12 rounds was amazing espicily for a man of his age. It was a very good win.