Bernard's win over Pavlik overrated?

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  1. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hopkins has Pavlik's number, and Pavlik was not the corpse some would have us believe that night. Was Pavlik 100%? Maybe not. Was Hopkins 100%? Maybe not. Either way, to be a Champion sometimes you have to fight through not feeling 100%. I'm sure Hopkins has done it, along with many others.

    A forty-something went to work that night, and Pavlik, while maybe not being 100%, was no where near 50% or worse. He did more or less what he usually does, except that he couldn't find a target.

    Edit: Though, we've had this debate before, and I'll opt out of rehashing it.
     
  2. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    First, I am not saying that BHop's win is over rated. I've said just the opposite on many occasions.

    Second, Old Man River was brilliant that night.

    Third, No version of KP we've seen to date beats that version of Hopkins. I've also said that many times.

    All I have ever said is that the illness and injury must be taken into account. Pavlik at 100% would put up a great fight, and at the end of the day, that would do more for Bernard's legacy.
     
  3. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Me too -- I have to leave town right now. Working this week end. Have a good one.
     
  4. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Take it easy.

    Edit: Oh, and nice avatar.
     
  5. VanillaKilla

    VanillaKilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    no, because hopkins prime weight is 160. He just cant make it anymore at this age. The schooling at 160 would be the same
     
  6. Motor City Sam

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    Cool. Have a good trip and weekend. :good
     
  7. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's not overated, it was a great performance. If Pavlik wasn't comfortable going to 170 he wouldn't have done it. Hopkins had the nuts to fight him and schooled him in the fine art of boxing.
     
  8. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Very interesting. Not a Hopkins fan, it seems, and he goes to lengths to carry it out.
     
  9. pauliemayweathe

    pauliemayweathe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I am a KP fan but he seeemed to do ok against a guy that beat BHOP twice....now he is merely limited...that is what u do in boxing...bhop did it...he was a 4 to 1 underdog and he whipped KP...u have to give him credit
     
  10. pauliemayweathe

    pauliemayweathe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    u ever think he wasn't comfortable but really wanted the money lol...i mean I am sure he would rather be at 160 but when u throw that money at someone they get comfy quick
     
  11. AffectedToaster

    AffectedToaster Well-Known Member Full Member

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    thats a weak excuse, Pavlik was like 16 years younger than hopkins, should have beat him
     
  12. Fat Joe

    Fat Joe Let's have it right Full Member

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    Great performance from the old man. Easy fight to predict if you realise how good Calzaghe was.
     
  13. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hell no... a victory over a young dominant champ in his prime by an old fogey overrated???

    Is Ali's win over Foreman overrated too?
     
  14. dits

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    It was a quality win. A dominant and inspired performance from the wily veteran. In no way was it overrated.
     
  15. Motor City Sam

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    When Hauser wrote that article after the Trinidad fight, I e-mailed him to disagree. To his credit, he did respond, but I never bought his arguments that the delay in the fight affected Tito more than Hop, or that the 9/11 terrorist attacks had more of an emotional effect on Trinidad than they did on Bernard.