Whats the point in Hatton fighting on?

WHY has it been dead in the water? You will pack Wembley easy for this fight, it's a BENN/EUBANK job!

Bradley took Witter's WBC Title a genuine World Title by the way "The "GREEN" belt, the one's that FLOYD MAYWEATHER has 5 OF:bart & not a "British" World Title (WBU/IBO/Tesco's/Waitrose. So how about a UNIFICATION fight for a genuine world title instead LAZCANO:huh

Year in Year out it's the same, never a honest comprehensive or justifiable (morally) reason as 2 why Hatton has dodged Witter. I just wish Hatton would be gracious & honest enough 2 say that "I FIGHT 4 PAY" & that a Witter don't add up $$$$$ wise. This is a bizz after all & HBO/GoldenBoy pay the wages & if they say NO to a Witter fight "Fine" But i've never heard this from a Hatton fan.

Value 4 money what would you rather have paid 2 see!!! HATTON/LAZCANO or HATTON/WITTER at Eastlands

HATTON/LAZCANO = In "SPING" 50,000+ sheep get "FLEECED":happy

HATTON/WITTER = Ricky shuts up the doubters & claims a GENUINE Title (Maybe)

 

People with agendas always pick on Hattons 'weaker' opponents when asking why a Witter fight didn't happen and its understandable if you are taking about Stephen Smith or Tony Pep around 2002-2004 but to use Lascano, who was top 10 in the world and was being used as a confidence builder by Hatton after the Mayweather KO is ridiculous.

That fight was never going to be about taking on a top opponent, it was about getting rounds in the bag, getting a win (and yes, getting well paid!). Its what most top boxers do after a big loss yet Hatton is expected to be somehow different?

People run though Hattons record and can't blame him for fighting JLC, can't blame him for fighting Mayweather, can't blame him for fighting Mallinaggi or Manny Pac......oh wait!! theres Lascano. Happy days!! Why did he fight that guy and not Witter???

Like it it or not (and agree with the reasons behind it or not) but Hatton-Witter was dead as soon as Hatton beat Koysta Zoo.

BTW the 'genuine' world title is the one thats won and lost in the ring, the same one that Hatton beat Zoo for.

 

OK, I know I said no more posts on this topic, but I'm bored

Some of the points you make are fair enough, however, some of the others I have to take issue with. As regards Benn and Eubank, in my view the two scenarios are not comparable. Benn and Eubank were both wildly popular fighters and household names who could fill an arena in their own right. Hatton can sell out anywhere he goes, Witter doesn't tend to sell anywhere larger than a couple of thousand anywhere he goes. I doubt very much the fight would fill Wembley, I can't see the cockneys having too much interest in going to watch a Manc v a guy from Sheffield. I'm sure it could sell out the C.O.M stadium (council house) but then again so did Hatton-Lazcano in record time.

The title issue is neither here nor there, Hatton himself has won about 4 or 5 genuine world title belts. You can say "how about a genuine world title fight instead of Lazcano", but you can do this with just about any fighter. To revert to my previous posts, how about Witter fighting anyone in the world top 50 during his 5-year bum of the month tour between Judah and Ndou. We can all pick fights on any fighter's resume and say they could have fought somebody better at that time. However, Lazcano was still a top 10 ranked fighter who had just virtually gone even with the guy regarded as Witter's best win (Harris).

As regards your comment on "50,000 sheep get fleeced", what about Witter himself? What about the 2,000 (or whatever) sheep that got fleeced during his five year run of nobodies? Those were far worse mismatches than Hatton v a top ten contender in a comeback fight. Plus you got Malignaggi-Ndou and Matt Hatton-Craig Watson on the undercard (don't underestimate the interest this one generated amongst us Mancs)This is a silly comment because it seems that, like many Hatton haters, one of your major beefs is that he has a lot of fans.

Incidentally, those "doubters" would never have been shut up. As I have said a thousand times, there are a number on here who are quite simply irrational haters where Hatton is concerned and simply seek to have a go at anything related to him. Hence the digs I referred to earlier at his girlfriend, his brother, his parents, even his allegiance to his football team. The whole thing is completely nuts.

If he had disposed of Witter, you can be it would have been someone else. You only have to look at how quickly the "Hatton is avoiding Bradley" threads sprouted up after Witter lost. It's exactly the same as with Calzaghe. From "avoiding" Lacy and then Kessler, he went onto "avoiding" Froch and Dawson. Because he then retired, it's seen by those with an agenda to push as "proof" that he never fancied those fights. Because this bollocks is repeated often enough by haters, some of the newbies start to believe it's fact and repeat it themselves. Hence perpetuating the myth. However, as I have said all along, real boxing fans know the score. Bottom line, a fighter can't live his career solely by trying to shut up the haters and idiots on the internet. It's a never-ending target.

 

Come-on now, Hatton should not be short of confidence, he's a big boy now!!! "Rounds in the Bag" that just don't wash, OK getting hammered by Floyd no doubt put a major hurt on his personnal pride & ego but it was no disgrace losing 2 the top dog. I commend Hatton 4 getting himself into that fight, i was there 4 it & was just a upset as any Hatton fan when he lost.

My point is not about Hatton bashing even though i've never bought into his "I'am a man ov the people" crap" He's fought at the top level so mentally he dos'nt need all the confidence "homecoming" rubbish, he's of the stature 2 go straight into another title fight just like Oscar De La Hoya & you never saw him weeping & whining after a loss, he went straight back into the frey fighting 4 Titles.

The Hatton/Witter fight was only dead after the Tyszu fight because FRANK WARREN made sure that his the cash cow would not RISKED in such a 50/50 fight, now thats good managment, MAX REWARD/MIN RISK, well except for Warrens ****-up with KHAN/PRESSCOT.

I'am just saying that 2 put this issue 2 bed HATTON had a chance 2 settle it once & 4 all with Witter & grab a GREEN BELT in the proccess, but still it's the same old ducking the issue from Hatton diehards, just accept the fact that there is another world class Lt/Welter living in the UK & his name is Jr Witter & he's been calling yer boy out for 5/6+ years, this issue ai'nt ever going away until Hatton steps up 2 the challange, HE'S NOT A SHOT FIGHTER, HE'S RICH BEYOND AVERICE & for his own pride i'd expect him 2 want 2 flatten the only other claiment 2 being the best 140lb in the UK these last 9 years. anything else is just blind denial or FEAR:yikes

 

Read the second point I made, Witter was still calling out Hatton immediatly after Pacquiao KO'd him, Hatton was hardly the top man in the division then was he???

 

This is quite simply factually inaccurate. After his first loss, DLH came back in a fairly straightforward bout with Derrell Coley, a lower top ten ranked fighter who he KO'd in 7 one-sided rounds. After his second, he came back against Arturo Gatti, a much smaller junior welter who he beat down in 5 one-sided rounds. You get the picture.

It's very common for a top level fighter after losing a bout (especially for the first time) to take a step down. Even though the fighter himself will never allow it, his team see that he needs a confidence booster. The opportunity to go "back to the drawing board" and work on correcting a few flaws. Look at Tito Trinidad who came back from his first loss against Cherifi. Erik Morales against a blown up bantamweight in Ayala. Hamed against Calvo, Lewis against Lionel Butler.

Junior Witter came back from his loss to Bradley (I'll excuse him Judah as we keep hearing "he was thrown to the wolves") against Victor Hugo Castro. Victor Hugo f***in Castro. Surely he could have found an opponent who wasn't a complete corpse. This is what I mean about the double standards that are commonplace where these two fighters are concerned. Lazcano wasn't Mayweather or Castillo, but he was top 10 ranked and had basically gone even with Harris (regarded as Witter's best win). There is a clear difference in the standard of their comeback opponent's, yet it;s Hatton who gets the stick.

As for the wild claims about "settling it with Witter" maybe that's just simply not as important to him as it is to a few loons on here. There are plenty of world class fighters in the world and Hatton has fought a fair number who deserve equal or more recognition to Witter (beltholder with a couple of defences types). Witter, by contrast, has fought nobody besides Judah who comes close to Hatton. He has nothing to make him stand out from a host of other fighters who have been floating around 140 over the last few years. Hatton's stepped up to the challenges against some of the finest p4p fighters of the last decade. He has nothing to prove to anyone by fighting Junior Witter. Of course, if the fight did happen, so much the better. I'd watch it with a crate full of cold ones and enjoy a good match as I would with any world class match involving a British fighter. But if it doesn't, I've got to say I'm hardly gonna lose any sleep over it.

 

[quote="TKO";4354623]OK, I know I said no more posts on this topic, but I'm bored

Some of the points you make are fair enough, however, some of the others I have to take issue with. As regards Benn and Eubank, in my view the two scenarios are not comparable. Benn and Eubank were both wildly popular fighters and household names who could fill an arena in their own right. Hatton can sell out anywhere he goes, Witter doesn't tend to sell anywhere larger than a couple of thousand anywhere he goes. I doubt very much the fight would fill Wembley, I can't see the cockneys having too much interest in going to watch a Manc v a guy from Sheffield. I'm sure it could sell out the C.O.M stadium (council house) but then again so did Hatton-Lazcano in record time.

The title issue is neither here nor there, Hatton himself has won about 4 or 5 genuine world title belts. You can say "how about a genuine world title fight instead of Lazcano", but you can do this with just about any fighter. To revert to my previous posts, how about Witter fighting anyone in the world top 50 during his 5-year bum of the month tour between Judah and Ndou. We can all pick fights on any fighter's resume and say they could have fought somebody better at that time. However, Lazcano was still a top 10 ranked fighter who had just virtually gone even with the guy regarded as Witter's best win (Harris).

As regards your comment on "50,000 sheep get fleeced", what about Witter himself? What about the 2,000 (or whatever) sheep that got fleeced during his five year run of nobodies? Those were far worse mismatches than Hatton v a top ten contender in a comeback fight. Plus you got Malignaggi-Ndou and Matt Hatton-Craig Watson on the undercard (don't underestimate the interest this one generated amongst us Mancs)This is a silly comment because it seems that, like many Hatton haters, one of your major beefs is that he has a lot of fans.

Incidentally, those "doubters" would never have been shut up. As I have said a thousand times, there are a number on here who are quite simply irrational haters where Hatton is concerned and simply seek to have a go at anything related to him. Hence the digs I referred to earlier at his girlfriend, his brother, his parents, even his allegiance to his football team. The whole thing is completely nuts.

If he had disposed of Witter, you can be it would have been someone else. You only have to look at how quickly the "Hatton is avoiding Bradley" threads sprouted up after Witter lost. It's exactly the same as with Calzaghe. From "avoiding" Lacy and then Kessler, he went onto "avoiding" Froch and Dawson. Because he then retired, it's seen by those with an agenda to push as "proof" that he never fancied those fights. Because this bollocks is repeated often enough by haters, some of the newbies start to believe it's fact and repeat it themselves. Hence perpetuating the myth. However, as I have said all along, real boxing fans know the score. Bottom line, a fighter can't live his career solely by trying to shut up the haters and idiots on the internet. It's a never-ending target.[/quote]

OK I take yer point on the Hatton haters "I'AM NOT ONE OV THEM" but it goes both ways here & it begs the question which is allways avoided by Hatton diehards, there is another world class 140lb living in the UK & he held the WBC belt & the country is slit on this issue, your point to reginal alleigence is unfounded, it's a young mans view, cockneys, geordies,irish,scots,welsh, would all travel 2 see this showdown, jeezus, 40,000+ ov us went 12,000 mile round trip 2 Vegas 2 see him, i met guys from Australia/Canada/south Africa & plenty ov ex-pats from around the globe that flew in 4 the fight with NO tickets.

Forget who pulls what crowd, OK witter could'nt fill a phone box but he's still a claiment 2 being number one Lt/Welter in the UK & allways will be, give the guy some respect as he's held the WBC belt & the fact he has weak managment ai'nt his fault,

Again i've still 2 hear from any Hatton diehard that their man would beat Witter. I'am not a Witter fan, just a boxing fan & this is an issue that until resolved will allways taint Hatton's so called legacy i'am afraid

It's a fight that all UK fight fans would love 2 see & may the best man win:happy

 

For every example of a fighter you give who took a hard fight after a loss I can give you 10 who had confidence builders. Thats how the sport works, I suspect you know that but you expect Hatton career to be different?

You can always check out "your mans" Roberto Durans record if you need confirmation.....Zambrano (1-4) after Hearns, Jimmy Batten after Laing (who himself was supposed to be a soft touch after Leonard), Cruz (3-13) after Camacho.........its what boxers tend to do after loses but, like I say, I guess you know that.

You have your timeline wrong on the Zoo/ Warren issue, it can't have been Warren that stopped Hatton-Witter much after 2005 because Hatton left Warren straight after the Zoo fight so your neat pet theory doesn't really hold water.

I've never denied I'd have liked to see Hatton-Witter in 2003-2004 but after that Hatton has done enough and faced decent enougn opponents that I genuinely don't care after 2005. The fact that you have to pick out Lascano and a 6 month period in 2005-2009 where you demand that Hatton should have fought Witter says it all really......


BTW capitalizing random words is making your posts harder to follow, not easier.

 

He has nothing to prove to anyone by fighting Junior Witter. Of course, if the fight did happen, so much the better. I'd watch it with a crate full of cold ones and enjoy a good match as I would with any world class match involving a British fighter. But if it doesn't, I've got to say I'm hardly gonna lose any sleep over it.[/quote]

So in effect the popular concenses is that Witter does not deserve a shot at Hatton due 2 the fact he's not high profile enough, IMO Hatton has it all 2 prove, but i'am with Hatton as far as making a pile ov money concerned, thats his job & good 4 him, I FIGHT 4 PAY as the great Roberto Duran said.

The point that just sticks with me is Hattons attitude 2 Witter???? He'a allways rude about him, Hatton called out Mayweather & Mayweather obliged, it's just a little bit of hypocrasy on Hatton's part with regard 2 blanking Witter.

My responces have been in good faith with bias 2 neither but it's how i see it, an unresolved issue which is 4 Hatton 2 address. Like you i won't lose any sleep over it but i've got 2 comment on the fact that there are as many deluded Hatton fans as haters on here.

I went 2 the Hatton/Mayweather & Hatton/Pacquiao fights so it's not the case i'am a Hatton hater i just would like 2 see Witter get his shot 2 back up his claims as 2 being the UK's number 1.

 

I've never bought the argument that Witter wasn't 'big' enough to get a Hatton fight, its no Benn-Eubank but it would have been a great domestic fight, but I do think that Hatton has done more than enough in his career (esp. after 2005) not to be hauled over the coals by people who, TBH, don't give a **** about Hatton-Witter but just want to use the fight as a reason to have another pop at Hatton.

If you don't fit into this category then fair enough but, as TKO has mentioned, you only have to look back at the "Hatton is ducking Bradley" posts that popped up last year from the very same people who were so "desparate" to see Hatton-Witter to tell that a lot of it is just driven by a anti-Hatton agenda.

 

Roberto Duran was a "prizefighter" he fought for Pay!! he'd fight anyone for the payday, you quote, Laing,Batton ect, these fights are pay fights, roberto was never going 2 get a title shot as he was regarded as a shot fighter, hence being a 4/1 dog against Davey Moore in 83. Duran could'nt give a crap about title's as long as he earned $$$

Look mate, all yer nit picking & such just deflects from the point at hand, tell me why Hatton won't get it on with Witter 2 settle the number 1 spot.

Hatton is a bizznessman & a smart one at that, if Ricky was'nt boxing he be knocking on yer front door telling yer he was going 2 tarmac yer drive.

 

So if he had called Manny Pac out that would be OK? You'd have had a field day with that one

 

That works both ways to be fair mate, theres no love loss between either of them is there

 

Tim Bradley would be a good start, I would laugh if he called out Pac yes, because at the moment he's in no position to do so, but my point it why call out a man whos been knocked out in 2 rounds, thats not going to get you into a position to get a shot at the new top man of the division is it. You never know though, if Witter beats Bradley, Manny Pac is quite fond of those green belts too :hey

 

love the name..brick-top

hatton will be lured by a world title strap.