Cotto @ 145... So?

eze · Jun 28, 2009

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I agree with eze but for different reasons. I'm guessing he wants the fight to be at 147 so that Pac has a better chance of losing. I'm new here, so it's just a guess.

I want the fight to be at 147 so that if Pac wins, he wins BIG, no weight drained excuses.

To people that say 1 lb is no big deal, what about when Pac fought Singsurat? Pac weighed in at 113, just 1 lb over the flyweight limit, but still over the limit so he was stripped of his belt before the fight even began. If 1 lb is not a big deal, why couldn't Pac lose just 1 little pound then?

Again, for the biggest win, Pac should let Cotto weigh in anywhere he wants from 141-147.

But I've read articles where Freddie Roach has admitted what he feels are Pac's limitations as a fighter, and that's the reason he wants the catchweight. He doesn't feel that Pac has a fair chance of winning at 147 because of the size difference. I can understand that, but it's disappointing if you're a Pac fan that wants to see him win with the least amount of doubts possible. If he loses to Cotto with Cotto at 147, Pac has a built in excuse - the bigger man won, no shame in that.
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scatterbrain · Jun 28, 2009

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You can't possibly be serious? Who's more dangerous opponents between a weight drain shot De la hoya who only make 147 pounds on fight night or Casa who might be past his prime but still is very good and was the legit light weight champion?

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stepping up to the plate is the question. to go inside the same ring against dlh was dubbed crazy in itself. the allegation that he came in "weight drained" is an afterthought.

in the first place, why did jmm not call out dlh in the first place??? he is looking for cash, that would be a great moneymaker. why?? pac had the balls to sign the contract while jmm did not even have the guts to think about it.

its not the afterthought that matters, its the courage to seek out opponents. pac beat dlh fair and square. assuming dlh had the same condition, can you really say that jmm will beat him in the same manner?
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rayhogan · Jun 28, 2009

scatterbrain said: ↑

rayhogan said: ↑

You can't possibly be serious? Who's more dangerous opponents between a weight drain shot De la hoya who only make 147 pounds on fight night or Casa who might be past his prime but still is very good and was the legit light weight champion?

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in the first place, why did jmm not call out dlh in the first place??? he is looking for cash, that would be a great moneymaker. why?? pac had the balls to sign the contract while jmm did not even have the guts to think about it.

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Umm Marquez is moving up 2 weight class to face former number 1 p4p but still at his peak in Mayweather. Are you saying De la hoya that fight Pacquiao at 147 pounds is dangerous then Mayweather?
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rayhogan · Jun 28, 2009

scatterbrain said: ↑

rayhogan said: ↑

You can't possibly be serious? Who's more dangerous opponents between a weight drain shot De la hoya who only make 147 pounds on fight night or Casa who might be past his prime but still is very good and was the legit light weight champion?

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stepping up to the plate is the question. to go inside the same ring against dlh was dubbed crazy in itself. the allegation that he came in "weight drained" is an afterthought.

in the first place, why did jmm not call out dlh in the first place??? he is looking for cash, that would be a great moneymaker. why?? pac had the balls to sign the contract while jmm did not even have the guts to think about it.

its not the afterthought that matters, its the courage to seek out opponents. pac beat dlh fair and square. assuming dlh had the same condition, can you really say that jmm will beat him in the same manner?
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After thought? ROACH EVEN SAID BEFORE THE FIGHT THAT DE LA HOYA CAN'T PULL THE TRIGGER ANYMORE!!! Roach even said before the fight that Oscar was getting beat up by smaller fighters namely Valero in sparring. And after the fight Roach admit that he knew Oscar was going to be weight drain badly in which is why had so faith in Pacquiao to win easy by stoppage.
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Guidokz · Jun 28, 2009

i say cotto is more dangerous than mayweather..

Boxer123 · Jun 28, 2009

Enzo, I will remember your name after the fight and will be looking for your excuses. :rofl

scatterbrain · Jun 28, 2009

rayhogan said: ↑

scatterbrain said: ↑

Umm Marquez is moving up 2 weight class to face former number 1 p4p but still at his peak in Mayweather. Are you saying De la hoya that fight Pacquiao at 147 pounds is dangerous then Mayweather?
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:rofl. jmm is looking for a moneyfight. and you are right on the money there, he is moving 2 weights up.

why is it that the fight was canceled and supposedly moved to a new date.

jmm is only following pacs footsteps. :deal pac was the first to fight at 135. was the first to fight at 147. was the first to fight at 140.

and you say that jmm has more balls. and i keel over from your stupidity.
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scatterbrain · Jun 28, 2009

rayhogan said: ↑

scatterbrain said: ↑

After thought? ROACH EVEN SAID BEFORE THE FIGHT THAT DE LA HOYA CAN'T PULL THE TRIGGER ANYMORE!!! Roach even said before the fight that Oscar was getting beat up by smaller fighters namely Valero in sparring. And after the fight Roach admit that he knew Oscar was going to be weight drain badly in which is why had so faith in Pacquiao to win easy by stoppage.
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roach had inside info but it was no assurance that pac will ram through dlh.

dlh clearly did not want to gain too much weight because he did not want to sacrifice speed.

and now your insisting that dlh was shot, weight drained over the hill fighter who still won over steve forbes.

hmm, what do you call casa again???
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rayhogan · Jun 28, 2009

scatterbrain said: ↑

rayhogan said: ↑

:rofl. jmm is looking for a moneyfight. and you are right on the money there, he is moving 2 weights up.

why is it that the fight was canceled and supposedly moved to a new date.

jmm is only following pacs footsteps. :deal pac was the first to fight at 135. was the first to fight at 147. was the first to fight at 140.

and you say that jmm has more balls. and i keel over from your stupidity.
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You're an idiot biased Pacquiao fans. Did Marquez fought a tune up fight at 135 pounds like Pacquiao did by facing David Diaz? Did Pacquiao fought De la hoya in De la hoya in his peak in De la hoya weight class? HELL NO. Umm about the "money" do you even know how much Marquez will be getting when he faced Mayweather? I heard it's around 2 million dollars while Mayweather is getting 15 million in which in that sense it's basically a 80/20 in Mayweather favor. I doubt 2 million is Marquez biggest pay day.
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rayhogan · Jun 28, 2009

scatterbrain said: ↑

rayhogan said: ↑

roach had inside info but it was no assurance that pac will ram through dlh.

dlh clearly did not want to gain too much weight because he did not want to sacrifice speed.

and now your insisting that dlh was shot, weight drained over the hill fighter who still won over steve forbes.

hmm, what do you call casa again???
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De la hoya fail to make weight when he fought Forbes but i guess you won't mention that. Also even though Oscar easily won the fight, it was by ud vs a former light weight champ and Oscar was even busted up pretty good vs a feather fisted fighter in which shows that moving down to 147 pounds will in fact killed Oscar body to make the weight.
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scatterbrain · Jun 28, 2009

rayhogan said: ↑

scatterbrain said: ↑

You're an idiot biased Pacquiao fans. Did Marquez fought a tune up fight at 135 pounds like Pacquiao did by facing David Diaz? Did Pacquiao fought De la hoya in De la hoya in his peak in De la hoya weight class? HELL NO. Umm about the "money" do you even know how much Marquez will be getting when he faced Mayweather? I heard it's around 2 million dollars while Mayweather is getting 15 million in which in that sense it's basically a 80/20 in Mayweather favor. I doubt 2 million is Marquez biggest pay day.
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its not the percentage, its the nominal amount. pbf-jmm is jmm biggest payday.

do check out your facts. whether he will receive 2m or 3m, that is his biggest payday.

he fought david diaz who was the reigning champ at that time. who should he fight, diaz who got sparked by old man nate? lets not get carried away here, diaz was a solid fighter, the current champion.

at 135, that was not a tune-up. that is the main course. same with hatton at 140. at 135 or 140, who should pac fight? casa? katsidis, campbell?

at 140, who should pac fight other than hatton?
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Guidokz · Jun 28, 2009

rayhogan said: ↑

scatterbrain said: ↑

De la hoya fail to make weight when he fought Forbes but i guess you won't mention that. Also even though Oscar easily won the fight, it was by ud vs a former light weight champ and Oscar was even busted up pretty good vs a feather fisted fighter in which shows that moving down to 147 pounds will in fact killed Oscar body to make the weight.
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man if you're talking about the balls, stick to the balls instead of giving us assumption of details why delahoya was drained because of wrong conditioning which is clearly not pacman's concern..
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rayhogan · Jun 28, 2009

scatterbrain said: ↑

rayhogan said: ↑

its not the percentage, its the nominal amount. pbf-jmm is jmm biggest payday.

do check out your facts. whether he will receive 2m or 3m, that is his biggest payday.

he fought david diaz who was the reigning champ at that time. who should he fight, diaz who got sparked by old man nate? lets not get carried away here, diaz was a solid fighter, the current champion.

at 135, that was not a tune-up. that is the main course. same with hatton at 140. at 135 or 140, who should pac fight? casa? katsidis, campbell?

at 140, who should pac fight other than hatton?
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You're clearly an idiot if you don't think Pacquiao vs David Diaz wasn't a tune up fight. Isn't David Diaz the same fighter that barely got by a shot in the dark can't pack a punch in Morales? Did Morales even knockdown David Diaz? lol and Pacquiao vs Diaz (David) is not a tune up fight for Pacquiao? Katsidis, Juan Diaz, Campbell or Casamayer are better fighters then David freaking Diaz in which Pacquiao should have fought either of those 3 but instead fought the easiest one. Juan Diaz lost to Campbell but cameback and beat Katisdis by an easy victory.
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scatterbrain · Jun 28, 2009

true, these are professional fighters with professional nutritionists.

as if going inside the ring against dlh is a piece of cake. pac made it look easy because.

he said. practice hard and the fight will be easy.

rayhogan · Jun 28, 2009

scatterbrain said: ↑

rayhogan said: ↑

he fought david diaz who was the reigning champ at that time. who should he fight, diaz who got sparked by old man nate? lets not get carried away here, diaz was a solid fighter, the current champion.

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David Diaz was easily a paper weak champion. Again he's the same fighter that barely beat a shot in the dark Morales who knockdown David Diaz for goodness sake.
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