Current Pound-for-Pound Top 10

Uh huh.

Sadly, todays list is not really about pound for pound. It's about the top 10 fighters in the sport. They just haven't changed the name.

 

Lol@Rico arguing against P4P lists without realising his own glass jaw rankings are POUND FOR ****ING POUND based, obviously David Haye would have a killer chin at minimum weight, so you base it on the fundamental P4P principle of comparing fighters (or attributes of fighters) of different weight classes you simpleton ****ing idiot.

1. Manny Pacquiao

2. Juan Manuel Marquez

3. Bernard Hopkins

4. Shane Mosley

5. Paul Williams

6. Wladimir Klitschko

7. Miguel Cotto

8. Nonito Donaire

9. Vic Darchinyan

10. Chad Dawson.

 

If Cotto is so good, then why is he not fighting Paul???


Why are his fans clamoring about him being the best as a Welterweight, yet they come up with every ****ing excuse of why he can't fight Paul. They are in the same division, and Paul is begging to fight Cotto.... But when Cotto hears his name he says "I'll fight who my management puts in front of me." ****in horse****.

And you got some people talking about Shane, but Shane don't want none, and some of you bitches make excuses saying PW is a risk.

None of the other 147 should be on that list if they can't be favored against EVERYONE in their division, EVERYONE at 154, and all but maybe THREE fighters at 160.

 

This is sadly why I feel your pain as a P.Williams fan. The man has the potential to truly be on the top of the list, but he gets no fights regardless of if its because of ducking or because of negotiations and so forth...the man has potential. Thats about it. He cannot climb to a spot as high as 3 because of potential. Sure he hops up and down in between weights, but Winky Wright aside has hasnt really beat anybody besides Margarito in a close close fight. And that fight was at his best weight class. His MONSTER weight class...he also LOST in that weight class...This is where I think most people have their reservations about him. Sure he rematched him and knocked Q the **** out, but its a 1-1 deal. Quintana has already said he'd fight him again. But there's no word from Williams. So in essence, that will hinder him badly. If Paul wants a shot at the title, he should just fight bums at a busy busy pace at WW and become someones madatory. And any ******* with a Mic in their face can call someone out, but if your a real ****in' man about it, you'll go up to the fighters face and simply ask for a shot. Clottey did it and it did wonders for him. Margarito tried it with Mayweather and well :yep...we know what happened there. I mean honestly...can you seriously think Pac is ducking Valero or Darchinyan because they call him out?! :huh No.

Its a shitty world to be a Williams fan, but at the same token its also easy. Everyone just assumes Williams beats everyone because of his dominant performances over shitty or shot fighters in different classes. He needs someone legit. And when he earns it, wants it, demands it...its not there...and this is where I feel your pain. Im sorry my friend :-conf

But Im going to again reiterate to your thick skull that the list should be compromised of not what the fighter has the capacity to do but what the fighter HAS DONE.

 

Well as long as they got the number one guy correct...thats essentially all that really matters.

The rest is completely subjective.

 

My List

1. Pacquiao
2. Marquez
3. Mosley
4. Williams
5. Vazquez
6. Darchinyan
7. Donaire
8. W. Klitschko
9. Pavlik
10. J.M. Lopez

Dawson, mayweather, calderon, cotto,and semi-retired hopkins do not warrant a spot.....

 

Pac/JMM joint first? What was your previous top 10? Did JMM move up from 2nd to joint 1st by beating Juan Diaz, and Manny beating a lowly Hatton?

Sometimes you are funny. Don't be too diplomatic and kiss other fighter's fan's asses.

 

Honestly. If someone doesnt have Pac at number one, then all hell breaks loose.

If anyone else is outta place BUT pac, you might have some debate going on but you'll most likely find a few agreeing with you.

But I think it's safe to say that a VAST majority of everyone feels that currently Manny is number one. And that's all that really matters.

"If you aint first your last! :thumbsup"

And essentially...who gives a **** who is where. If you aint within the top 3 it's all bull****.

Im a Cotto fan, but I know he aint near the top 3 or 5 and arguably 10. SO I really dont give a **** about the list. The second he does something of vast importance (Like put Pac to sleep :smoke) then maybe I can shake my fist for his case, but even then I wouldnt be able to say he's p4p no.1 so who gives a ****.

Cotto would need to rematch Mosley beat him, rematch Margarito and beat him convincingly, and lay Pac out to be number one in my eyes.

Anything short of that and I could care less if he's number 6 or number 15 because he isnt really worth talking about unless he's in a scheduled bout.

 

Well if you properly took out Klitschko who would get bumped?

I also find your choice of Lopez interesting...care to explain.

Not a matter of debate or argument...just curious

 

JMM co-joint #1 is lame.

 

My criteria:
-I attempt (of course there is no precise way to do this) to equally weigh accomplishments and perceived ability.
-For the accomplishment portion of the equation, I only include fights within the past two years. This prevents older fighters, e.g., Hopkins, from being overvalued currently with their stellar career resumes.
-A year of inactivity results in an automatic removal. Thus, I exclude Vazquez. R. Marquez is left out because his beating a bum does not erase two straight losses and more than a year of inactivity.


1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Paul Williams
5. Shane Mosley
6. Miguel Cotto
7. Nonito Donaire
8. Vic Darchinyan
9. Chad Dawson
10. Wladimir Klitschko

Notes:
-I think Mosley deserves credit for the great Margarito performance, but his outting against Mayorga was hardly exceptional. He also lost a close but clear fight to Cotto. That's a better loss than Williams' to Quintana, but Williams avenged it and has a very good two year resume himself. Combine that with the bigger weight jumps and youth, and I feel confident ranking The Punisher a slot ahead of Sugar Shane.
-Floyd Mayweather, assuming he defeats Marquez in anything but a complete robbery (clear 8-4 Marquez or worse), will rejoin the list. The exact placement obviously depends on the performance.
-Ivan Calderon has been dropped due to some less than stellar performances and the ostensible onset of decline from advanced age, especially for a natural 105.
-I look forward to Juan Manuel Lopez fighting another beltholder or top rated 122-126 fighter because that will go a long way to getting him on the list.
-If Dawson convincingly beats Johnson in the rematch, then that would make me comfortable enough to raise him up several slots.

 

Williams is 6'2. I don't care if he can make welter, if he can then good, why not fight there. But guaranteed if these other "disgraceful" fighters like you put it Rico were 6'2, it would be different and they would most likely move around those weight classes too. Don't act like his height advantage has nothing to do with it and like he's braver than everyone else.

Yes he can make welter, but he can support the higher weights better than the other guys. It's stupid to dismiss that.

 

I like your list but Donaire Should be ranked 9th and Darchinyan and Cotto 10th.

 

well like most "fans" p4p list is very subjective....i guess you could say the samething about the ring's.....

but i try and calculate skills, resume, and division(s) and recent performances a fighter has.....

some are better in one or 2 categories but not all 3......for example....lopez cracks my top 10 becasue of skill and recent performances are top 10 material.....same with darchinyan....cotto would probably get in at number 10 in i took wlad out and bumped up everybody else.......cotto deserves to be on my list before a dawson....