Mike Tyson's slippage in his techincal Skills, a good example

I agree. That was part of what made Tyson so hard to hit. He stayed lower, he moved his head and upper body continuosuly, and he used his opponents momentum and movements to move forward and counter all while avoiding punches. He completely got away from all of that when he left Rooney. The closest I ever saw him returning to an elusive style is when he worked with Tommy Brooks, but it was more stepping off from side to side rather than a forward attack.

 

Good call. The Bruno fight is sad to watch in retrospect. We were all caught up in tyson madness at the time but objectively watching him, he just wasn't the same.

It's a shame newer fans only know him from post-prison and rarely watch him demolish guys like he did biggs. that was magical

 

Another thing...anyone who thinks it was Ricky Hatton who started the whole craze of British fans travelling overseas to see a fight didn't see the Bruno fight.

 

people STILL love bruno and ol' enry. those mothers put asses in the seats

 

Bruno was a loveable guy. They might as well have shut down the country when he beat McCall.

 

The craziest thing about the Bonecrusher Smith fight was that he hurt Tyson with a right hand just before the fight ended, thus prompting thousands of people in attendance and millions watching at home to say 'where the hell was that for the other 35 minutes and 50 seconds?"

 

I'd argue that Tyson actually gave off every impression that he didn't give a damn about what Giachetti said, even on his stool between rounds. I don't think Giachetti changed him, I think Mike at that point was doing it his way or no way and pretty much ignored his corner advice.

Using the Ruddock fights again, there are times when Giachetti is giving him advice, decent advice, and Tyson just doesn't do any of it. He doesn't want to.

Agreed that Snowell/Bright were particularly undercooked for Tyson then, I don't think it's Mike getting dragged off-course by different trainers, I think post-Rooney he just thought he knew it all. Any trainer would give their left arm to be in a Tyson corner, all that cash and prestige, so they're not going to bail if Mike doesn't pay attention to them all that much after all.

 

Tyson lost both his physicality and his skillset in a really really short time, shows you how much a good training principle means to a fighter, although we'll never know how good he was, after he looked beatable, he never really scaled the same heights.

 

Nice post. Backed your point up very well. The diference is pretty evident.

 

the point was made earlier that tyson fought with anger AND skills. He let his anger guide his skills and talents towards destroying his opponent. It gave him courage and motivation. Later, he fought with anger and forgot the skills. He was sloppy, careless and basically fought like an animal. When he was facing McNeeley, yeah that would do it. When he fought world class, they picked him apart. His anger was used against him and it drove a wedge between his talent and his performance

 

Giachetti was a good trainer. He told Tyson the right things, he just taught him a different style, but had the answers when Tyson was having trouble, something Rooney had as well. Jay Bright, I never understood what the hell Tyson was thinking hiring him. His advice in the Holyfield fight was terrible, and I think Tyson knew when he started having trouble, Bright wasnt going to give him the right answers.
Funny enough Id like to see Tyson comeback now and try and match Foreman in being the oldest title holder. The fighters are so passive now, so I dont think he would be threatened too much by anyone besides Wladmir as far as really getting hurt. If he came back to boxing with his heart in it, I think he could have some good performances. His loss of speed probably brings him down to an ordinary fighters, but his power would still be there.