Big Heavys and Fat Heavys

hegrant....do you really think marciano as even close to his best when he fought lowry the first time in 49? I dont think so. Rocky barely started training with goldman at the time.

This is not true. Sam Silverman, who hated Al Weill, and who brought Lowry in to beat rocky marciano thought rocky beat lowry. "He gave ted a bad body beating" said silverman. silverman was the promoter of the lowry-marciano fight

 

Henry,


You know for yourself that walcott faced some of the decades biggest bangers like ray murray sheppard gomez, pack etc are you suggesting walcotts defense was THAT GOOD that he simply did not get hit by these men? I mean walcott defeated 3 men(4 counting the louis robbery) who are on RING MAGAZINEs top 100 punchers of all time....Elmer Ray Hatchetman Sheppard Tommy Gomez.


Also what about all of the flush shots walcott took on film vs louis and marciano without going down?

 

Some thought Lowry deserved to win the first fight with Marciano. Indeed he had Rocky stunned twice. Some historians think Lowry had the cuffs on that night.

I don't think Rocky was at his best in the first match, but he should have been able to put a journeyman like Lowry away in the re-match. As it was Lowry went the distance with Marciano twice.

 

I read that about Silverman too! He offered 25% and Rocky's management wanted 30%, BUT why would he want to do away with his meal ticket?

The fight took place at the Rhode Island Auditorium, in Providence, Rhode Island. Rocky was the Big draw even at that time. This was the 17th time Rocky fought their and he would go on to fight their a total of 28 times. That is more then any other Heavyweight Champion that fought in 1 place.

 

Walcott had a lot of experience and he knew how to roll with the punches. There were a lot of fighters that were that way. I am not saying that Walcott had a bad chin, all I am saying is that it was average.

Do you think Walcott took a better punch then Ali, Holmes, Marciano, Dempsey, Jeffries, Holyfield, Liston, etc.

 

I think SuzieQ should listen to Hhascup. Henry has been on involved in the boxing game for decades, and like John Garfield had inside connections to boxing in the 40's and 50's.

 

I agree that Lowry was hard to stop. He was defensive. There is a Lowry interview on youtube where he spoke about the Marciano matches, and how his trainer taught him defense. Or there was one a while back.

While Billups went ten with Lewis once, I don't think he would be as lucky the second time around.

 

Philly heavyweight Chambers slims down, tops Ukrainian for chance at title

By BERNARD FERNANDEZ
Philadelphia Daily News

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EDDIE CHAMBERS can't guarantee he'll never lose another boxing match. But the United States' brightest heavyweight hope is at least certain of one thing.

No one will ever kick his "s" again.

"No more 'Fat Eddie.' I'm 'Fast Eddie' again, and I'm going to stay that way," a smiling Chambers said yesterday afternoon at Philadelphia International Airport upon his return from Germany, where he achieved the most significant victory of his now very significant career. "Who knows? Maybe I can get an underwear commercial out of this."

Slimmed down to 208 1/4 pounds, his lowest weight since he came in at 207 for a 2003 bout with Allen Smith at the Blue Horizon, Chambers outquicked and outhustled Ukrainian giant Alexander "Sascha" Dimitrenko to win a 12-round majority decision on the Fourth of July in Hamburg, Germany.

In a scene right out of 1985's "Rocky IV," Chambers, who was booed by the pro-Dimitrenko crowd as he made his way to the ring at the Color Line Arena, so won over a majority of the spectators that the announcement of his unexpected triumph was greeted by loud, sustained applause.

Chambers said he signed so many autographs afterward that he got a mild case of writer's cramp, and would have signed more had his manager-trainer, Rob Murray Sr., not insisted it was time to return to the hotel so he could get some rest.

"All that was missing were Sylvester Stallone and an American flag to drape around my shoulders. Sascha even looks a little like Dolph Lundgren [who played Ivan Drago in "Rocky IV"]," Chambers said of the surreal setting.

In this case, though, real life proved more satisfying than anything Chambers could have imagined after seeing a movie. By dominating the 6-7, 253 1/2-pound Dimitrenko and handing him his first professional loss, Chambers, a half-foot shorter and whopping 45 1/4 pounds lighter, became the mandatory WBO challenger to WBO/IBF heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko, also of Ukraine, the man widely regarded as the best heavyweight on the planet.

Barring unforeseen circumstances, Chambers should get his shot at Klitschko (53-3, 47 KOs) within the next 6-to-8 months.

Chambers (35-1, 18 KOs), a Pittsburgh native who relocated to Philly in the spring of 2002 for the express purpose of refining his boxing skills, officially was credited with two knockdowns. Referee Geno Rodriguez gave Dimitrenko (29-1, 19 KOs) a standing eight-count in the seventh round when Dimitrenko doubled over in pain from a left hook to the body. The Ukrainian claimed his distress was the result of a low blow, but Rodriguez ruled the punch was legal.

Then, in the 10th round, Chambers sent Dimitrenko crashing to the canvas and his mouthpiece flying with a well-timed hook to the chin.

The decision for Chambers should have been a given, but British judge Paul Thomas, ignoring the obvious, submitted a scorecard that read 113-113. His colleagues, Glenn Feldman and Fernando Laguna, gave Chambers the victory by turning in cards that had him winning by margins of 117-109 and 116-111, respectively.

"I don't speak German, but I knew something was wrong when people started booing again," Chambers said of the change in the crowd when Thomas' score was announced. "After the sixth or seventh round, I had won over the crowd. When the people booed, I knew something bad had happened. I have to say, I was worried."

Chambers is admittedly undersized in this area of heavyweights who look like NBA power forwards, which is why he scaled 223 pounds, one less than his career-high, for his previous bout, a 10-round, majority decision over former WBC heavyweight champion Samuel Peter, who came in at 265.

"I thought the extra weight would make me bigger and stronger, but it just made me slower," Chambers said. "After the Peter fight, I took off 10 pounds in a week and a half. It came off easy. I vowed that I'd never get up over 215 again, even between fights."

Murray said Chambers' rout of Dimitrenko is a blueprint of how he can take down Klitschko.

"I didn't like Eddie at 223 for the Peter fight," Murray said. "He needed to be quicker, more fluid. But against Dimitrenko he showed how to beat a big man.

"I know some people had written Eddie off as a Blue Horizon fighter, a club fighter. They said he was too short, too light, can't punch. A lot of people said some of the same things about Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Jack Dempsey. They weren't real big guys, but they could fight. This kid can fight."

Murray said he believes Chambers is the best heavyweight in the world, and that at the very least he should be recognized as America's best, although some have him a rung below Cristobal Arreola (27-0, 24 KOs), of Riverside, Calif., a more standard-sized big banger at 6-4, 255.

Wherever he deserves to be ranked, Chambers probably has established himself as the best Philadelphia heavyweight since Tyrell Biggs won the Olympic super heavyweight gold medal in 1984 and Tim Witherspoon twice held alphabet versions of the heavyweight title in the 1980s.

"Keeping my weight down will help me stay effective," Chambers said. "I was sharper. I was faster. My movement was much better. I didn't have a jiggly midsection. It makes all the difference. I was able to get on my toes and stay on my toes. I had more energy throughout the fight.

"I like the way my new body feels. I like the way it looks, too." *

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/spo...down__tops_Ukrainian_for_chance_at_title.html

 

Actually I do listen to Henry, respect him, and use him for sources all the time. And dont ever bring up John Garfields name again, since I have used him for sources on debates with you many times and you simply ignored it.

 

THIS QUOTE IS GREAT! no more "Bigger is better" from mendoza

 

good

 

"Dementrenko" was just not very good. I can't believe supposedly knowledgeable people are making a big deal out of this result. He was a stiff and no amount of size could have helped him.

Heavyweights have gotten bigger over the past 40 for a reason. On average, larger heavyweights are more effective than smaller heavyweights. Life just ain't fair but that's the truth.

Look at the HW rankings in the 60's and before and they were replete with sub-200 pounders. Where are these fighters today? Are they just all content to make less money as cruisers?

 

Why was this bumped?