Is Joe Calzaghe an ATG?

for the time being yes

but once 4-5 more other fighters surpass Calzaghe's accomplishment, Joe is out of any respectable top 100 atg list

 

Don't waste your time telling me anything about Joe and Ottke's careers. There is no huge material difference in their careers except Joe managed to add a couple geriatric names to the end of his resume. They even fought several of the same fighters (some of which Ottke fought FIRST). Watched nearly all of their fights (and absolutely EVERY SINGLE CALZAGHE FIGHT - including all of the 4 rounders, fat guys, bums, old fat guys, old fat bums, mediocre guys, average guys, fights in which refs ended them early to his benefit, ridiculously scored fights, narrow decisions over mediocre fighters, few narrow wins over slightly better fighters, and the couple way past prime ATGs he got victories over while generally looking **** poor or comparatively less talented) and long before you even knew either of their names).


Depending upon one's rating system:

Joe = 150-200

Sven = 160-210


Generously attributed

 

Damn, I lean towards borderline ATG, but you make great points:think

 

I would LOVE to see you come up with 150-200 better fighters then Joe Calzaghe, the only way you could even come close to that is adding a ton of old fighters who you've seen none or hardly any footage.

Your comparison between Ottke and Calzaghe is pathetic.

 

fail!

 

You are more delusional to even think Joes a great

 

You know what u talkin bout my friend :thumbsup

 

No. he hasn't done enough to be there.. he is a great fighter but not in the top 100

 

OMG :-( OMG:-( OMG:-( ARE u seroius!!?? Calzaghe a legend like Robinson!!?? Thats like saying ricardo mayorga waz a legend like Ali,u calzaghe fans are Delusional!!!

 

Calzaghe's level of opposition was lacking for a while but he finished up strong by cleaning out his division and then moving up to beat Hopkins in a 2-year span. The sheer length of his title reign and the fact that he never lost a fight as a pro make him an ATG as far as I'm concerned. Also, consider that there are different degrees of greatness. It's all subjective at the end of the day.

 

i consider top 100 boxers of all-time as ATG

 

I like the way you put it.

I think Calzaghe deserves to be called great.

That said, **** Calzaghe and those who think he's greater than Lennox Lewis.

 

I do remember these so called "past their prime fighters" was pretty good before Joe beat them, and why the hell do a division have to be weak if its just happends to be topped by european fighters?

 

Calzaghe was awesome. So many fighters wish they had a fraction of his talent.

 

Yes. He barely made it.