Did Gerald McClellan have brain trauma before the Benn fight?

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  1. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    You could say this about every punch.

    Can't know for sure.
     
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  2. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    benn was ****ed up but not THAT ****ed up. my apologies i can't remember who said it, but someone in the thread stated that g-man was smoothering his own work. this is EXACTLY what happened. benn was hurt from the knockdown and might not have gotten up. but he recovered really quickly from it and i don't think he was as hurt as has been portrayed.
     
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  3. Taylex

    Taylex Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That was me who made that comment.
     
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  4. Taylex

    Taylex Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The injury Gman sustained was the result of an accumulation of hard blows to the head this is what the surgeon said in his statement after the operation.

    We know for sure that a grazing headbutt would not put Gman in intensive care.
     
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  5. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    We also know it wouldn't help either.

    He was indeed already in bad shape,blinking continuously and all.

    IMO he entered the fight already traumatized.
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    If the first is based upon the second, I think that's a serious reach. G-Man was probably never hit by a puncher like Benn before. That there is a fine reason for him to look unlike he ever had before, certainly a better reason than a mysterious brain injury.

    Secondly, the biggest factor in the fight (in my opinion) is that Gerald wasn't used to fighters coming back at him hard after he hit them. He was used to them folding. Here is a mental explanation for his "grimasing...shook up at every punch".

    Both of these theories are reaches and both of these reaches are less of a grab than your neurological theory.
     
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  7. roadkill barbie

    roadkill barbie Active Member Full Member

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    Im sorry but Ive heard this argument that it should have been over with a count out in the first so many times,,and it just makes no ****ing sense WHATSOEVER!!!! Have these people actually watched that knockout - he's blatantly up at six! He's managed to get back in the ring by ten! And I dont particularly see anything that wrong with how the referee lets the action continue either,, **** it you guys decide- the KOs at 3 minutes
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc-G4KMOllU
     
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  8. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    ulian Jackson landed some on him in the first fight so I'd say he had some experience.
    The folding part I agree.

    Still.....the way he looked after virtually EVERY punch from Benn was unnatural.
    When he went down he didn't even get hit flush.But by that time he was already gone.
     
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  9. roadkill barbie

    roadkill barbie Active Member Full Member

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    By the way the entire story was recorded in Kevin Mitchells book 'War Baby', if your interested theres the link http://www.amazon.co.uk/War-Baby-Violence-Kevin-Mitchell/dp/0224060732 I cant remember excactly what was said about Mclellans prior state but Im sure it was mentioned, it was ages ago I read it but I do remember it being a superb read.
     
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  10. McGrain

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    The way I see it - Benn beat him up. Sometime during that beating, poor Gerald recieved a serious brain injury. Ockham's Razor says this is probably true. But i'm happy to hear differently, always, from that percieved reality, but I need evidence. The neurological theory just doesn't have a lot of weighted evidence apart from him looking distressed whilst being hit by a massive puncher in front of a hostile crowd after a questionable preperation. Which is not evidence at all, in my honest opinion.
     
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  11. Taylex

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    No probs with the Ref's count but he did give Nigel a couple extra seconds when he pushed Gman back but I maintain that Nigel would have still got thru the 1st round in the same way.

    Like I said before Gman smothered his own work and Benn was bobing and weaving so thats why Gman could not end it in the 1st.
     
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  12. McGrain

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    It's hardly mentioned. He speculates as to Gerald having a pre-disposition to recieving such an injury, but there is no speculation as to whether or not he had an injury coming in, because that would have been speculation.
     
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  13. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    So the headaches and dizziness before the Jackson rematch and before this one means nothing?

    I read somewhere that McClellan had headaches in the Benn fight aswell but didn't say anything cuz ''fighters don't complain about headaches''.

    Manny Steward also apparently knew about this and that's the reason for the fallout.
     
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  14. McGrain

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    The reason for the fall-out with Manny was about money according to Manny and attention according to Gerald in every account I have ever read.

    I've never heard or read any accounts of McClellan suffering headaches before the Benn fight.

    I did hear a story that he suffered headaches before the FIRST Jackson fight, but perhaps the wires were crossed. Either way, the headaches went away, there are few fighters that won't have had them, they are not indicitive of neurological disorders or brain injuries to the exclusion of all other explanations. Nor do headaches explain why any brain injury wasn't discovered in Gerald's medical examinations.
     
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  15. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    You would know this because?

    Iread somewhere he had them before Benn too so they didn't go away or at least the rumors didn't.

    I believe Ernie Schaaf suffered from something similar.Died with Carnera from the beasting with Baer.
     
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